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jerryaldini 03-01-2023 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16833823)
In my excitement of having and other decade+ of Mahomes, I honestly hadn’t considered the sub-window of Mahomes + Kelce together at maximum velocity. I figure it is 2-3 years, when Kelce slows down or bows out for a media career.

Couple that window with Reid’s age/health as another overlapping factor, I don’t mind us taking big swings (like this one) this off-season and next. I think our Tyreek move + awesome draft haul bought us that luxury, if Veach is on board.

Don’t overpay in comp or cap, and ensure we draft for well again this year, and let’s roll.
This is it right here. Prime age Mahomes in waning years of Andy and Kelce. Don't want to look back and feel like we didnt push all the chips in on offense to see what's possible. Let's top 2018 but with a young, speedy, relatively inexpensive defense.

Mecca 03-01-2023 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 16833807)
So now Mahomes is Rogers?

Unreal. There isn’t anything else that needs to be said. Your opinion of Mahomes is noted.
That's a nice way to put words in my mouth.

Chief Pagan 03-01-2023 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 16833724)
You guaranteeing 3-5 years of HOF play without injury? I’d you can promise that. Then maybe.
I'm mixed on DeHop. If he would play on his current contract may be.

But I have no faith in Toney's health, limited faith in JuJu's health, limited faith in Skyy to become the WR we all want to see.

Kelce is an iron man but he's not getting younger.

Not a lot of guarantees in this business. Discount WRs are going to have some sort of downside.

UChieffyBugger 03-02-2023 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 16833716)
He’s past his prime. Stop living in the past.

Just ducking quit.

Again. Another poster not appreciating Mahomes.
The stats prove that your notion is bs.

Rainbarrel 03-02-2023 05:03 AM
It's like Russell Wilson, JJ Wyatt and Julio Jones didn't just happen

MahomesMagic 03-02-2023 06:07 AM
Yes.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There’s a weird stigma going around with DeAndre Hopkins where people think he’s injury prone or too old. He’s still that dude &amp; EASILY a top 10 WR in football…his 17 game pace last year would’ve been 119 catches &amp; 1,343 yards &amp; he was doing it with backup QB’s. He’s still ELITE</p>&mdash; Braiden Turner (@bturner23) <a href="https://twitter.com/bturner23/status/1629867080513118208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MahomesMagic 03-02-2023 06:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16833823)
In my excitement of having and other decade+ of Mahomes, I honestly hadn’t considered the sub-window of Mahomes + Kelce together at maximum velocity. I figure it is 2-3 years, when Kelce slows down or bows out for a media career.

Couple that window with Reid’s age/health as another overlapping factor, I don’t mind us taking big swings (like this one) this off-season and next. I think our Tyreek move + awesome draft haul bought us that luxury, if Veach is on board.

Don’t overpay in comp or cap, and ensure we draft for well again this year, and let’s roll.
Great post.

People talk about emulating the Patriots but there was a decade where Brady and Belichick won no Super Bowls.

Go get 2 more Chips with Kelce still here.

BleedingRed 03-02-2023 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 16832760)
We have proven you don't have to pay big money to receivers or rbs.

Have the GOAT at QB and win in the trenches and its a recipe for great success.
Exception not the rule,

We also do not want to waste Mahomes prime by not putting quality players around him when possible.

htismaqe 03-02-2023 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 16833690)
DHop is already under contract until 2024. Why not take the short-term gain WITHOUT hamstringing the future cap? Both things can be possible. Veach is a cap wizard. If he thinks he can fit DHops contract in the cap for 2023 and 2024 without sacrificing future in-house free agents (Sneed, Bolton, Humphrey, etc...) go for it. Give up a 2ndish rounder to maximize Mahomes and Reid chances for rings #3 and #4.
Because his camp has already said they want a new deal as part of any trade.

O.city 03-02-2023 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16833993)
Exception not the rule,

We also do not want to waste Mahomes prime by not putting quality players around him when possible.
You guys are making me agree with BleedingRed.

Veach and Andy have always talked about putting alot of weapons around Pat. This year was more of a "we got caught with the Tyreek thing a bit late and pivoted" kind of thing. I think exception not the rule is the way going forward.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2023 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16833996)
Because his camp has already said they want a new deal as part of any trade.
Of course they do.

But we aren't any old team, we're the Chiefs.

Worth exploring if he would play for us as is.

htismaqe 03-02-2023 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16834001)
Of course they do.

But we aren't any old team, we're the Chiefs.

Worth exploring if he would play for us as is.
Certainly worth exploring. But he's going to want a new contract. I think that's the deal-breaker.

MahomesMagic 03-02-2023 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16834003)
Certainly worth exploring. But he's going to want a new contract. I think that's the deal-breaker.
Even if we could get him to play as is for 1 year I pull the trigger.

If he needs 25 million plus now then we go elsewhere.

Couch-Potato 03-02-2023 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16833921)
Yes.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There’s a weird stigma going around with DeAndre Hopkins where people think he’s injury prone or too old. He’s still that dude &amp; EASILY a top 10 WR in football…his 17 game pace last year would’ve been 119 catches &amp; 1,343 yards &amp; he was doing it with backup QB’s. He’s still ELITE</p>&mdash; Braiden Turner (@bturner23) <a href="https://twitter.com/bturner23/status/1629867080513118208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I agree 100%.

Balto 03-02-2023 10:59 AM
I like the idea but not if he wants Tyreek money. I agree with others about keeping him under his current contract for 2023 and then look at an extension during 2024 before he becomes a FA.

I'd also want to throw MVS into the trade as I feel the need for that extra cap space is outweighed by his production.

Cards get:
MVS
2023 2nd

Chiefs get:
DHop


Chiefs will save $7M by trading MVS. You add in DHops $19.45M, that will only be a net of $12.45M for him.


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