Using Jay as a defensive replacement in RF?

Although Bourjos has been excellent so far tonight, this game is an example of why he doesn't need to be. He does everything better than Jay. Everything.

There isn't a quantifiable category in which John Jay is better than Bourjos. It's absolutely dumbfounding to me how Jay has stuck around.

He would be the best player in baseball history if he kept up the performance the last two games he has started. I don't know what else he has to do to be given a chance to play CF regularly.

I'm not in St. Louis but there seems to be a lot of anger in the fan base about sending Wong down, not giving Bourjas more starts, calling up OT etc. I would bet that if Matheny continues to start Jay that Jay will be booed in Bush. Just like the relievers that are washed up and everyone can see except for the manager. Once they got booed in Bush, they finally pulled the plug.

It's going to take a helluva lot for fans in Stl to start booing Jay. They trotted Skip out there for years without a peep.

He seems to throw about 30 different variations to his curve. Adding to that, he also switches up his windup in slight ways, so it ends up that the hitters can't really key in on anything.

not to mention how well he is swinging the bat...we should make him DH when playing teams from AL

I could really see Mo stepping in and trading Jay so dummy will stop using him. As for Wong, they need to send Garcia back down and bring Wong up and start him for ten consecutive games at least unless matchups are terrible for him.

This is the second time in two years that dummy has continued to be stubbornly loyal to players that just arent producing at all (Boggs last year, Jay this year). I am sure there are other examples as well (Descalso, Kozma, Maness) but those two are the most glaring.

I am in St. Louis and there is a lot of :spock: going on regarding players and who is and who isn't playing...Wong batting .333 was sent to minors to watch Ellis wiff time and time again

It truly is a joy to watch him. He's become the best true "pitcher" in baseball. He's lost four MPH off his fastball over the last few years, but as his velocity has declined he has added an entire quiver of extra arrows to his arsenal. He even varies the speed of his delivery to throw off the timing of the batter now. It's impressive.

If you combined LaRussa's illogical loyalty with Dusty Baker's tactical ability you get Mike Matheny.

It's like you took all of LaRussa's negatives and made a manager out of just that.

I don't know if he's a virulent dickhead in the clubhouse, which is why I stayed away from that comparison.

Yes that's true. I should have qualified it by saying all of LaRussa's bad traits during games.

Enough to boo Jay?

I hate sports lately.

And now Peralta homers. lol

Martinez needs to get un****ed.

He's showing bunt. Just take the goddamned ****ing out.

I don't like the infield in here. Basehit gives them the lead, and it's too easy to get it past the IF in this situation.

**** My Life.

I hate sports.

Dan and Rick with the ****ing kiss of death.

"Bourjos looks much more comfortable."--swings at a pitch between his feet.

Of course. Peralta stings another one and Walker makes an amazing defensive play. I hate playing these guys.

He throws 100 mph and then a change up right down the middle. He will get un****ed. His talent is amazing. Possible Cy Youngs, perfect games its a high ceiling. He's learning how to harness that talent. Patience grasshopper.

:facepalm:

It's just not a good baseball team.

Bourjas didn't get a hit tonight. Since he is only hitting .400 for the month of May and only makes a spectacular catch every game. Put his ass on the bench. Bring on Jay!

And while we are in full blown bad idea mode.......... lets play Ellis and his .180 cant put down a bunt game but leave Wong rotting in AAA.

Hell yeah. Spread it on!

**** Jay and his hit. We need to move on. Matheny doesn't need any ammo to start Jay.

Heard on the broadcast that we have played 26 out of 38 games on the road to open the season. The most games played on the road by any team in the last 40 years of MLB.

19 of the next 22 games at home. Sure hope the offense gets its shit together during that home stretch.

Oh, I agree. Jay is garbage.. But I'll take what I can get right now.

4 runs out the gate, I bet we dont score again.

You got too good of a club to stay down. You will be there in the end.

I wouldn't take a bet that we won't need more runs.

My God.

Damn that was close.

Miller just looks like he will not be comfortable until blowing the lead. Just like Lynn.

I'm beginning to hate Shelby Miller. one who sucks the penis has meltdowns like he's the son of Jamie Garcia and Lance Lynn. Mother****er can't even get a bunt down to boot. Has he successfully laid one down this year?

Get him out Matheny.

Get this one who sucks the penis out of here. I'd rather watch Maness blow the lead. At least he can hit his spots.

I'm surprised Alvarez didn't smoke a 495 foot home run

I've never seen Yadi so pissed. Or seen a manager come and just chew a pitcher's ass in the middle of an inning. You have the best catcher in the history of the game calling your pitches and you're shaking him off. Send his ass to Springfield if he doesn't wanna listen.

He should watch that tape of that inning over and over. It was embarrassing to watch. You embarrass yourself on national TV. You have the greatest catcher of his generation in his prime behind the plate, just throw whatever Yadi calls.

You haven't even made it out of the 6th inning on a semi-regular basis. We all know you have top of the rotation talent. Learn to pitch not just throw. You have the best coach on the field with you calling the game. Listen for crissakes.

Really all you can do is laugh at this point

Oh shit. What happened?

Bases Loaded with nobody out in the 9th for the Pirates down by 1 and Rosie pulled a horseshoe from his ass. It's ok though because the Cards deserve a little bit of luck considering all the bad.

I actually meant with Miller. I can infer from the posts, but I was hoping for a more detailed account.

Miller was shaking off Molina all night and only wanted to throw a fastball that he could not locate. Which proceeded to piss both Molina and Matheny off. And all of this after he was gifted a 4 run lead.

So he learned nothing from his discipline of two years ago. Awesome.

I don't even know that he couldn't locate it. Looked like he was just throwing whatever the **** he wanted up there. Yadi would set up low and away and he would bring it up and in. It's not like he was missing his spots, he was in a different zip code.

Ya I was actually waiting for a Bull Durham moment where Yadi just tells the hitter fastball. Lol

At one point yadi didn't even out down a sign. He just motioned for miller to throw a pitch. Both linquienst and then the next inning Matheny both came out and just chewed his ass. No attempt to cover their mouth or attempt to conceal this was anything but a public ass chewing on national tv.

Ya I had never seen anything like that before. Yadi was like if you want to throw the heat then throw the damn heat.

Any Joe Kelly timetable? Lyons ****ing blows.

So if dipshit Matheny would have pulled Lyons in the second like he should have, we'd be looking at a ball game.

Ya but who would you use? This Fornataro guy does not seem to be that great and I am not gonna waste the good arms in my pen in hopes of coming back down 7.

Cards throwing out some AA pitching tonight.

Who cares who you use? Lyons' ass should have been sent straight to memphis without a shower. Bring up a reliver for a few days and then Garcia to start for him.

What an embarrassment. As I said a few weeks back, this is 2007 all over again.

This team blows.

Not the best way to start a 19 game home stand huh? Getting smoked by the Cubs at home because of our starting and middle relief pitching. I thought we had deep pitching?

Why not bring up a AAA pitcher for just one start until Garcia or Kelly are ready to go?

Not ready to throw in the towel yet. In June I bet we get OT and Wong up. We will make a trade deadline deal. Motte is already throwing in the mid 90's and getting people out. That will take pressure off the main 3.

17 runs by the scrubs? How ****ing embarrassing.

Glad I didn't go to this turd.

Who the heck made your schedule? You guys are home for almost the entire next three weeks. I don't know if I've ever seen that before. Then the next week after you start another 10 game homestand.

we have had 12 home games all year. The least home games to start a season in 40 years.

Lol

:facepalm:

You can say that again

This team ****ing sucks ass. They can't do anything right.

From last night on the farm.....

Second baseman Kolten Wong, center fielder Randal Grichuk and left fielder Oscar Taveras batted 1-2-3 in the Memphis order and were a combined 10 for 14 with two homers, eight RBIs and eight runs scored.


Wong, who opened the season as the Cardinals second baseman, was 4 for 5 with a homer and four RBIs, boosting his Memphis average to .344.


Grichuk, who was sent down by the Cardinals over the weekend, resumed his assault on Pacific Coast League pitching with a 3-for-5 game that included his fifth homer of the Redbirds season. Grichuk is batting .333 with a .959 OPS in 108 Memphis at-bats.


Taveras, the most highly regarded prospect in the Cardinals' system, went 3 for 4 with two doubles and two RBIs, boosting his average to .307 and his team-high RBI total to 29.

Which brings up the question............Why has OT been playing left field all the time? Even when Grichuk was up here he was playing left. Have they given up on OT as a CF? And if so, just where is he going to play. Holliday is going nowhere. Craig or Adams has to go to make room for OT?

I read this earlier today. Its just baffling Ellis and Jay etc....are still starting every day.

Ellis is hitting .195. He has had 65 AB's this year. Wong had 71 AB's when he got sent down. We can't realistically expect Wong to hit .344 at the ML level but he can hit above the Mendoza line. Wong has an upside or at least trade value to enhance. We need offense and there is an upgrade waiting.

Did Wong say something about Matheny's religious views?