Yeah. If they set the house on fire and he died they absolutely did.
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Just sayin. Be ready for the comparisons.

You meet deadly force with deadly force.

They're clearing the garage right now.

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Maybe you shouldn't engage in a firefight with one hundred million well armed police personnel while standing next to a propane tank?

Would you have a problem if Dorner was shot in the back while fleeing?

have you got links to cops burning houses down, after saying on live TV "lets burn it down", previously?
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LOL they just cut the cabin owner off after he revealed that theres a basement

lololol

I'm guessing LL Cool J isn't going anywhere near the LAPD until after this is over. Hell, he should probably wait an extra month just to be safe.

probably not if he was armed.


In this situation you set up a perimeter and try to wait the guy out.

get negotiators in, starve him out.

You don't burn the house down
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So you'd wouldn't care at all about sacrificing a few innocent lives in order to manage that?

Lol.

Dude the cops were saying " lets burn this ****er down, get some gas"

Doubtful it was a propane tank
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And what if we never wrote that manifesto? What if Sgt. Hitasuspect wrote it to set him up?

There are reasons why we don't just kill suspects.

I never saw the guy pull a trigger. All I heard was that two people were shot and this magical, faceless message gets blasted all over the media so there is zero question this guy is a cop killer.

Shit, they could have had the guy tied up there for weeks and planned this entire thing. It's highly unlikely, but it is absolutely not impossible.

Again, no matter what, the guy deserved a trial.

For **** sake, Saddam Hussein got a ****ing trial.

Not at all.

Well, at least not if it was actually Dorner instead of a newspaper delivery woman.

For me, he's already plead guilty, so just execute him with minimal collateral damage.

After these types of crazy incidents people always complain about the media giving the suspect too much airtime. Maybe the cops finally learned (the media won't) and don't want to make the guy even more famous by giving him a national platform with cameras to go nuts on and go out in a blaze of glory.

There should be no comparisons. Weaver didn't kill a bunch of cops and get in a shootouts all around the state

It's their ****ing job.

I would be sad they lost their lives in the line of duty. Yes.


Again. This isn't how our justice system is supposed to work.
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Woof, your sarcasm meter is turned off buddy!

JFC. He has had tons of airtime already.
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Only one story to keep straight this way.

Sorry, I keep it below my belt, and it can get tricky trying to fiddle with it at work. :thumb:

Just doesn't seem right to me.
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That's because Saddam wasn't a threat when captured. OBL didn't get a trial.

Although at this point I could go either way. I would PREFER a nice easy trial and execution, but at this point I can easily see more lives being lost going that route.

They were never ever ever ever ever going to let this guy get arrested. It was a bodybag for him no matter what.

I don't care. As a police officer or military you meet deadly force with deadly force.

CNN is reporting he tried to escape when the fire started and he was pushed back into the house by gunfire

It isn't right.

How many did he kill while they were lighting it on fire?
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Pretty much.

Please. They were going to kill this guy no matter what, to the extent of shooting innocent people.

It's not about what's easy. It's about what's legal. god forbid any of us are ever in a situation where the entire world is convinced of our guilt to where our swift and merciless murder is considered justice.

We don't do this shit to the guilty in order to prevent it happening to the innocent.

I think the guy was guilty as shit, but this is America, Jack. We're supposed to be the ones who do it the right way. The hard way, yeah. the bloody way, sometimes.

But the right way.

He tried to escape right after the fire started which may lead one to believe he set the fire as a diversion

Are the cops motivated by saving innocent lives, or saving their own ass?

at least someone gets what I'm saying here.


He deserved a trial. If he did what they said he did he deserved to spend the rest of his life in prison.
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Don't disagree about that. He should have surrendered with media present if he wanted to live.

So you guys think that if he would have given himself up, say negotiated via Charlie Sheen, they would have executed him as soon as they saw him?

Yeah. That's what happened. He set his only protection from certain death on fire.

:shake:

Yeah from the media not the cops. When the cops finally had an opportunity to prevent a larger platform for him they did.

I'm with you, too.

True, but sooner or later the "alleged" criminal needs to take some responsibility and throw down his weapons. He could easily have turned himself in at TV news office in order to guarantee his safety. Instead, he engages in a firefight.

The cops saying to burn the ****er down, then making the media leave them the house burning makes sensible people believe the cops burnt it.

what a coincidence that he would burn it. What a ****ing coincidence.

The homeowner's son said no internet, TV or anything so he couldn't have seen the video
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The guy killed the daughter of a cop he was pissed at.

I don't really see any reason to buy him one meal in custody.

It wasn't protection it was a death trap. He made a tactical mistake by going in there.

this.
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Hell no. A public surrender in front of cameras? Sooner or later, if you want the justice of a jury trial, you have to submit yourself to that justice.

Again, link me to all the times the police has burnt houses down to get suspects
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Yeah, they couldn't have been telling media to gtfo because you know, they were standing in the middle of a gunfire fight....

Happens quite often.

Why restrict the airspace?

Was he going to shoot down media helicopters while the officers on the ground were firing on him?
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Rumor on reddit is that a sniper got him.

In case he had access to media.

According to the female newsperson on that video feed, the owner of the cabin mentioned that it holds a propane tank. It's not unusual. It's also been reported that "hundreds of rounds" were exchanged in one 30 minute period. I wouldn't shoot anywhere near a propane tank unless I absolutely had to. Doubtful the tank lasts in that situation unless it's effectively empty.

Also, can't the PD get some NVGs? How the **** is Dorner going to have the advantage at night if the PD has night vision, CNN? ROFL

Link us to all the times a guy writes a manifesto promising to kill a bunch of people, kills innocents, then goes on a week long run and can only be assumed as someone who will do whatever it takes to survive and kill more people?

Anybody have the audio of the cops saying" burn it down"?

This. It's freaking ridiculous.

Lol. There have been many people who have killed multiple cops, civilians, etc. that made it to trial.

This is not how our justice system is supposed to work
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I think it is earlier in this thread. The YouTube video.

:hmmm:I wonder were the audio is. I'd like to hear it.

He killed someone right before. He deserved to die, in a fire. It will prepare him for the hell in the afterlife he deserves.

He didn't want a trial or he wouldn't have run or said he was going to be killed instead of captured.

You seem so heartless protecting a shithead murder.

I didn't hear it in that video, but maybe in the larger video...I'll go take a listen.

They are talking about it right now on CNN in the past LAPD used tear gas on a wooden structure and it burned down and killed the suspect.

Again. The cops said "lets burn this ****er down" "get some gas".

Buy into the propane tank theory if you want. I'm not.

They said exactly what they were going to do.
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And this is not how people are supposed to live. Who gives a shit how this guy goes out, as long as he is dead.

I'll listen to it again myself. I've seen quite a bit of footage today so I may be mistaken.

I'm watching that too.

Was there video of officers saying " get the gas, lets burn this ****er down" in That instance?
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The guy wanted to die. Mission Accomplished.

Stop making excellent points.

Probably because cops are the devils

Lol. This is America, innocent until proven guilty. Right to a fair trial.


That didn't happen in this instance
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They're saying it was tear gas? Wtf? How could a big house go up in flames THAT fast with anything other than a planned fire?

And yet he had days to surrender... He didn't have to run when they pulled him over. He didn't have to kill another police officer before barricading himself. This ending is damn well justified.

You should probably pop into this thread and tell people how the justice system works...
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...=269960&page=4

He just killed someone today. As he was running from them. It doesn't get more guilty than that. Stop protecting him. Would you feel the same if he killed your daughter because you were doing your job?

When he puts his ****ing gun down he can argue his innocence.

I'm not cool with them burning it down either, assuming they lit it.

It was well stated in an above post but, It's pretty third worldish chicken shit tactics if you ask me. This isn't Mexico.

I would have killed that ****er too.


And then planned to spend my life in jail
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Aside from the whole legal system thing, which is an important argument... I think you have to backtrack ever farther. As far as I can tell, they all act like they haven't even contacted him. So while it's 99% likely it's him, they didn't confirm that, or if he had hostages.

While you'd like to assume the best here and that due diligence was done... given how trigger happy everyone has been in the last week you have to ask those questions.