Not to mention that doesn't mention who is paying travel expenses etc..I imagine it depends on organization.

This.

I hope we sign him.

You already have one crybaby bitch on your team, whats another.

If a tree falls in a forest, does it make a sound?

The Steelers, Giants, and Packers were all among the worst teams in the league, if not the absolute worst, at running the ball when they won their most recent SBs. They all run a huge percentage of their O out of shotgun, and apply a much more aggressive, vertical downfield passing game.

Look at where all of the innovation is coming from in football. It's not the NFL, it's college and high school.

Although the players in the NFL are the best, the minds lag behind.

Vertical passing has existed since the 70's Steelers, Chargers, and Raiders.

In the end you still reach an equilibrium which involves a balanced team.

If you want to watch the playoffs from the family room in 2014

Not to the extent that it does now, which is why you have so many 5,000 yard passers and passing records falling like HR records in the 90s.

You are THE most stubborn, close-minded adult in this forum. Either that or your just plain ****ing stupid.

I swear, your fat, ugly wife that's covered in warts could win a contest to have a porn star **** her brains out, yet when Lisa Ann arrives at your door to **** you both, you'd say "No. I haven't showered today".

:shake:

That would be true if scouts were making the picks. The top personnel guys make the big league picks. The scouts job is to find nuances in those big league picks which head personnel guys fact check, and to find diamonds in the rough players head personnel guys don't have time to scout.

Just because you can be a scout doesn't mean you are qualified to make good decisions with scouting information.

True. Personally, I feel there are several people who could advance beyond local/regional scouting (not that regional scouts aren't valuable or have high input) and elevate themselves into positions that would make their opinions more meaningful.

Bucs fans seem to want Eric Winston, even though we don't run a ZBS. They also seem to think that Winston was right in calling out an entire fanbase... good god they are stupid.

I agree the game is geared toward passing, we all know this.

I just don't think believing that you need a run game to complement your passing game to win consistently is far off base.

I never said we didn't need a passing game, a good passing game, I just believe a decent running game and decent defense is still more important than gets credit these days.

Being Chiefs fans I imagine the focus is almost solely on fixing the QB issue at this point though and anything else becomes 5th tier.

I've been thinking about it, and I don't think there's any freaking reason why releasing Winston means we're even more certain to draft Joeckel.

WE HAVE TWO YOUNG TACKLES ON THIS ROSTER ALREADY.

WE TOOK THEM AT 2 AND 3 LAST YEAR.

2 AND 3.

That said, in the long run, those were probably smart picks by Pioli, trying to shore up his OL in the event that Albert created the potential for some turnover in 2013. Seems prescient now; we lost Winston and we could still potentially be fine because of Stephenson.

DUde continues to say hes not sorry for what he said about Chiefs fans.....Good riddance.



http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/07...s-winston.html




On the field, Winston’s level of play was probably about what the Chiefs expected. But he became a polarizing figure in Kansas City when, after an early-season game against Baltimore, he was critical of some Chiefs fans for what he said was cheering after an injury to quarterback Matt Cassel.

Had Winston played more than one season, he may have eventually been able to win over Chiefs fans. But, as it stands, that will be his legacy in Kansas City.

“That’s the way it goes sometimes,” he said. “I look back and still feel I did the right thing. A lot of people I respect not only in the league but in life have come up to me and said the same thing. I know I’m not alone in that assessment. I actually don’t think I’m in the minority in that assessment.

“I never wanted to imply it was every single person in the stadium, or every Chiefs fan. I said what I said. I still mean it to this day. I still feel that way and I’ll probably always continue to feel this way.”

Can we sign him again just to release his sorry arse again? Please please please!

I cheered and I still feel I did the right thing.

ROFL

It has nothing to do with being a Chiefs fan and everything to do with paying attention to the rest of the NFL.

Of course a running game and defense are important - gotta re-live the 90's!

Obvious mouth is obvious.

About some Chiefs fans. Like this dude:

So, yeah. I'd say Winston's still on the right side of this thing.

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No, he came out and painted with a BROAD brush.

He never apologized and to try to backpedal and say he didn't mean it was everybody, after he's been cut, is disingenuous.

He's a ****ing mouthbreather.

K.C. Chiefs eye extension for LT Branden Albert

By Kevin Patra NFL.com
Published: March 8, 2013 at 06:25 a.m.
Updated: March 8, 2013 at 07:50 a.m.

When the Kansas City Chiefs cut right tackle Eric Winston on Wednesday, almost everyone assumed it signaled a plan to draft a left tackle with the No. 1 overall selection in April's NFL Draft -- even Branden Albert.

Albert, the incumbent left tackle, tweeted Wednesday he had zero interested in playing anywhere else on the line (he has since deactivated his Twitter account). It turns out he might have jumped the gun with his assumption.


NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported Thursday that the Chiefs are continuing to work out a long-term deal with the franchise-tagged Albert on the assumption he will be their left tackle of the future. The Chiefs are still interested in drafting a tackle to fill the right side of the line.

Andy Reid values right and left tackle similarly, so the line of thinking follows that the Chiefs could draft either Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher -- the two highest-rated offensive tackles, according to NFl Network draft expert Mike Mayock -- and slide either of them in at right tackle. With the rookie wage scale, the Chiefs could be replacing Winston with a younger, less-expensive player.

Scouts will get another look at Joeckel at Texas A&M's pro day today, and the Chiefs might be deciphering whether he can play both sides of the offensive line.

Follow Kevin Patra on Twitter @kpatra.

The same guy who a few weeks later, watched Richard Seymour pick up Cassel and piledrive him into the ground after the play was done? I repeat: just watched it happeend in front of him? It's sick rooting for injuries.....but watching them happen is ok.


You're not very good at this Direck. Sorry.

this!:thumb:

Damn. Winston REALLY got under some of your guys skins.

Was that a big deal in KC when Winston went on his rant about the way fans behaved toward injured players ?

I think we got under his skin more so... He was a coward and hid behind a mic and the Chiefs organization...

He didnt have the balls to address the fans publically.

On here it was. Not sure about the casual fans.

If Chiefs don't find a trade patna with the first pick they will draft Joekel to be RTotf. They will willfully draft a RT at 1.1 this is our Chiefs peeps.

So you don't think you need a running game or defense to win consistently?

You think the only path to winning is to get a HOF QB because they are everywhere, and **** the rest of it?

Name me one team without a HOF caliber QB that can win consistently on the QB's shoulders alone? And the answer isn't the Ravens because Flacco was as much a liability as an asset before this post season and they won off of running and defense. I knwo I am in the minority on Flacco but I can tell you this, he had some recivers make a shit ton of circus catches that won't happen on a regular basis. They caught fire and couldnt be stopped but I seriously doubt that run is repeatable. If not for a stupid CB they wouldn't have beaten Denver.

What do you do if you don't have a HOF caliber QB available? You want to build your team on hoping you get that 1 magic run through the playoffs?

Doubtful.

Continue to acquire QBs until you find one.

As opposed to building your team to win 130 regular season games and no playoff games in a decade? **** YES.

The two highest rated RTs on PFF are both free agents.

They can probably sign Gosder Cherilus for under 6/yr and have much better management of resources.

If Reid does value LT and RT as similar/equal its probably the most likely move. Better make an honest effort to find a FA RT

Wait what? Was he supposed to give a speech at city hall or something? Or how was he supposed to address us publicly?
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If we draft a RT at 1.1 true fans everywhere will die of ecstasy...

sweet!
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I'd do it again too. I hated Cassel so much I was starting to actually dislike him as a person. I even hated his face.

That is kind of sad, actually.

This. Cherilus isn't going to be asking for $10 million a year, he's 28 and he comes from a pass happy offense.

Thank you

I always have and always will think of this song in relation to that emotional breakdown of a "defense" of his QB...

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Quite welcome.

Without going through 1,100 posts, what happened to Winston? He was one of the top right tackles in the league, right? He was a coup when we picked him up. What happened?

Speculation so far: injured, cap cleaning, making way for LT/RT drafted at 1.1.

Failed physical

Whoa. Thanks for the update. I didn't even know he was hurt.

And you know this, how?

Confirmed? Makes it sting less if true.

I understand where Marcellus is coming from. I just think that he doesn't see the forest for the trees.

I read it in this thread yesterday. It's more fun watching people running around screaming "What's it mean? What's it mean?" Like they were the first people to see a solar eclpise thinking it's a sign of the acopalypse.

He's super.
Thanks for asking!

LMAO

No one is really sure whether he's hurt or not, as far as I know. Jason La Confora tweeted that there was a "serious injury concern", but that hasn't been confirmed or explained by anyone. Eric Winston said he thought he was cut for philosophical reasons. He denied that it was injury related. He speculated that the Chiefs would draft a tackle, but was clear that he hadn't heard that from anyone at Arrowhead.

My interpretation is that Andy Reid just didn't think he fit the kind of line Reid wants to build and that with free agency and the draft full of respectable tackles he thinks he can do better. :shrug:

hey, i'm obviously late to this thread. no real interwebz connection this week.

am i correct in one of the above posts, that winston failed his physical?

thanks, don't have time to read through 1000 posts.

I don't think so. Winston denies being injured and says he's been cleared after a minor offseason scope.

oh. well that makes things more confusing to me.

so, we pretty much have no idea, right?

thanks in advance!!!

The slit up his front confused team doctors...

This is my interpretation, but ymmv. Winston thinks the Chiefs draft a tackle, but I'm not so sure. If they're forced to pick at 1.1, I think there's a pretty good chance that they take a tackle as BPA, but it sure looks like they're working hard not to need to take a particular position (They got Alex Smith at QB, they franchised Albert, and they've been actively trying to fix their DL through FA). My guess is that they'd like to trade down before taking BPA whoever that might be.

I would do a trade down for a few spots even if it doesn't bring in draft chart equivalent compensation. Anybody we pick at 1.6 would be equal value to 1.1 in this draft. I just hope someone will fall in love with a player enough to take the discount deal.

Same here. Getting Dee Milliner or the 2nd or 3rd OT/DL off the board plus a 2nd round pick would be better than getting the pick of this particular litter.

Well, if Winston is out of football, he can always go to Italy and get a job in a winery. I'll bet he's a first class cork soaker!
http://youtu.be/7lWuba4HKg4

Yep. Winston is much better at run blocking than pass protection. He was that way in Houston too, but you didn't notice such a dramatic difference because he excelled in their zone blocking scheme. There is a reason that both he and Briezel didn't have the kinds of years they had in Houston. The Texans are definately going to give him another look if the price is right.

They already stated that they aren't. They feel that he's going to demand to much in the way of money....and they're probably right.

Oh I see you are back in this thread. So you decided to back out of what I asked you. Figures!

first round linemen are the key to it all. Yep.
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Not really - They based that purely on his preceived salary demands. He said this morning that there are several good tackles out there and that the market will be set once the first one is signed. He also said that depending on the situation, he would take less $$$ to play for a contender because he's at that age where the ring matters. ALso, Newton underwent surgery and the Texans aren't sure of his status.

My perception of Winston last year is that he seemed to be better at run blocking than at pass protection. If Andy Reid wants to build a pass-first team, perhaps that could be the reason? I hope Andy realizes that Jamaal Charles is our primary offensive weapon, though.

Off to Miami?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/1...ed-free-agency

"The Dolphins will likely have to add to their offensive line this offseason. A deal is far from done, but right tackle Eric Winston has been contacted by Miami."

Winston....South Beach....Speedo......CAN NOT UNSEE.....

Thanks for contributing to my weight loss regiment. I was about to go eat. Now I can't.

Well he went to college there.

Any bets on whether he'll be playing moneyball in Oakland this year?

What'd you ask me?

Why the **** is it bad to draft an OT in a strong OT class in this draft?

Did people not watch the DV years? Alex Smith is gonna need that protection to succeed.

Which makes him a shit QB.
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You do know SF's OT's were both drafted in the 1st rd right?

Hell 3 of their 5 starting OL were 1st rd picks.

What the **** does this reeruned post even mean?