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Mecca 11-01-2022 02:28 PM
Fenton was gone after this year anyway so no issue there dude had fell to 5 on the depth chart.

Gravedigger 11-01-2022 02:28 PM
Trying to bulk up our offer to OBJ I suppose to compete with the Bills.

O.city 11-01-2022 02:28 PM
Cap space AND a pick!!!!!


Man you guys gotta be so pumped. LONG TERM PLAY!!

Mr. Plow 11-01-2022 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Shag (Post 16569821)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Full trade: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Falcons?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Falcons</a> are trading a conditional seventh-round pick to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> for CB Rashad Fenton, per source. It&#39;s a cap-clearing move for Kansas City, which saves $1.4 million.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1587541438367137792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Moar picks!!1!1!!

Direckshun 11-01-2022 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16569828)
Jesus **** - a conditional 7th round pick? So...cap space?

Lord.

Did he shit in someone's corn flakes? There is ZERO chance you can convince me that we're better served this year with a 7th round pick than we are with Fenton as a backup boundary corner. Especially since Watson and Williams aren't exactly dynamic movers and McDuffie missed 6 goddamn weeks with a hamstring injury.

This is dumb.
Fenton was a headcase anyway but a STARTING CORNER for cap space we're not even going to use.

Thank lord in heavens we aren't using it on DE Josh Allen.

Could you imagine the pain of having that cap space and actually using it while every other piece of the team is Super Bowl caliber.

jd1020 11-01-2022 02:29 PM
Guess Fisher is asking for more money than they anticipated.

BigRedChief 11-01-2022 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16569756)
The long term look at DE is still there, so they'll have to address it via FA or the draft now.

Moving forward.
If it’s there, expect a trade up to go get an edge rusher.

TwistedChief 11-01-2022 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16569828)
Jesus **** - a conditional 7th round pick? So...cap space?

Lord.

Did he shit in someone's corn flakes? There is ZERO chance you can convince me that we're better served this year with a 7th round pick than we are with Fenton as a backup boundary corner. Especially since Watson and Williams aren't exactly dynamic movers and McDuffie missed 6 goddamn weeks with a hamstring injury.

This is dumb.
The only way this makes sense is if that 1.4mm was the dividing line between our signing someone for our DL.

What’s a conditional 7th round pick? Does it evaporate if he doesn’t play enough snaps?

JPH83 11-01-2022 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16569828)
Jesus **** - a conditional 7th round pick? So...cap space?

Lord.

Did he shit in someone's corn flakes? There is ZERO chance you can convince me that we're better served this year with a 7th round pick than we are with Fenton as a backup boundary corner. Especially since Watson and Williams aren't exactly dynamic movers and McDuffie missed 6 goddamn weeks with a hamstring injury.

This is dumb.
Yep agreed. Bizarre move. Jesus did noone value this guy at all? How on earth did he get the snaps if they valued him this little?

DJ's left nut 11-01-2022 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16569838)
Fenton was a headcase anyway but a STARTING CORNER for cap space we're not even going to use.

Thank lord in heavens we aren't using it on DE Josh Allen.

Could you imagine the pain of having that cap space and actually using it while every other piece of the team is Super Bowl caliber.
Putting together a bid for OBJ, I guess.

I'm going to tell myself it's for Big Shel.

It isn't. Because I guess Vlasic thinks the DL is fine.

JPH83 11-01-2022 02:31 PM
Yeah was also hoping it's for Sheldon otherwise sorry it's just a dumb, shitty move

KCUnited 11-01-2022 02:31 PM
Wasn't hoping Fenton to ATL was part of a 3 way deal to bring Tunsil to KC.

Oh well I guess.

ljmhawk 11-01-2022 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16569854)
Putting together a bid for OBJ, I guess.

I'm going to tell myself it's for Big Shel.

It isn't. Because I guess Vlasic thinks the DL is fine.
no idea why people want OBJ….he’s injured and won’t play til what…january?

Simply Red 11-01-2022 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 16569833)
Trying to bulk up our offer to OBJ I suppose to compete with the Bills.
Talk to me papi

DJ's left nut 11-01-2022 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16569849)
Yep agreed. Bizarre move. Jesus did noone value this guy at all? How on earth did he get the snaps if they valued him this little?
And McDuffie literally broke in the first ****ing half of football he played. We're really just gonna say "Yeah, he's back for good now..."?

Folks, we're a sprained ankle away from Chris Lammons getting significant reps. And why? So we can throw an offer at a guy in OBJ who ain't gonna do anything until late November at best? And may just be broken anyway?

Please be the money we need for Richardson.

JPH83 11-01-2022 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16569864)
And McDuffie literally broke in the first ****ing half of football he played. We're really just gonna say "Yeah, he's back for good now..."?

Folks, we're a sprained ankle away from Chris Lammons getting significant reps. And why? So we can throw an offer at a guy in OBJ who ain't gonna do anything until late November at best? And may just be broken anyway?

Please be the money we need for Richardson.
Pray for Richardson. I mean even then I pretty much think it's a dumb move. As you say...Lammons. Yikes

Chieftain 11-01-2022 02:35 PM
Cap space has to be for a DL. Nothing else would make sense.

DJ's left nut 11-01-2022 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16569873)
Pray for Richardson. I mean even then I pretty much think it's a dumb move. As you say...Lammons. Yikes
It's okay, guys.

Using O.City math, it's pretty much a 6th round pick.

Direckshun 11-01-2022 02:36 PM
Lammons played one snap against the 49ers.

He gave up a slant for a first down.

htismaqe 11-01-2022 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16569864)
And McDuffie literally broke in the first ****ing half of football he played. We're really just gonna say "Yeah, he's back for good now..."?

Folks, we're a sprained ankle away from Chris Lammons getting significant reps. And why? So we can throw an offer at a guy in OBJ who ain't gonna do anything until late November at best? And may just be broken anyway?

Please be the money we need for Richardson.
You're sleeping on DiCaprio Bootle, man. LOL

The Franchise 11-01-2022 02:36 PM
I just don’t see the need for Beckham at this point.

Direckshun 11-01-2022 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16569878)
Cap space has to be for a DL. Nothing else would make sense.
It's possible he's a headcase. We've seen his behavior on the field. He's been a starter for a year and a half and honestly we're not losing anything with Jaylen Watson, who has upside that dwarfs Fenton.

Maybe he threw a fit. It's Tuesday, he may have been told now that he's returning from injury he's CB4.

He melted down, and we shuffled him out the door as fast as humanly possible.

I'm just writing Chiefs fan fiction at this point, but we've seen this team inexplicably cut bait with CBs before and we've never learned the truth.

JPH83 11-01-2022 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16569886)
You're sleeping on DiCaprio Bootle, man. LOL
I mean I might be missing Baker if Bootle is relied upon

Marcellus 11-01-2022 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16569794)
The mortar is just asking Spags to keep coming up with crafty blitzes. It's taking what you've got already and hoping to stretch it.
Its a big if but if McDuffie can do his job the blitzes wont be as risky with the one on one outside matchup.

BossChief 11-01-2022 02:42 PM
Seems like Veach did the right thing for Rashad and traded him to a place he has a chance to earn a second contract at. In KC, he’s buried behind tons of potential.

I wonder what the conditional part entails.

It’s still possible the reporting of the conditional portion can make the pick better than a 7th.

Sassy Squatch 11-01-2022 02:43 PM
Huh. 10 trades were made today and that's an NFL record.

tredadda 11-01-2022 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16569796)
Find somebody that holds on to you the way Clark Hunt held onto that 1st rounder so Chiefs fans could watch the pick live.

Really great. Really special.

Look forward to being there to watch the Chiefs select a possession receiver or right tackle at pick 30.

Really going to be a moment worth holding onto.

Thankful we didn't lose that by trading for a young passrusher.

God, could you imagine having an effective four man rush to get to Josh Allen in Buffalo in January, only to hang out at Union Station getting obnoxiously blitzed while the other 31 teams spend 32 picks trying to catch up with us.

We are so fortunate to have eluded that timeline.
Is this Clark wanting to hold the puck in writing somewhere or is this CP speculation at its finest?

htismaqe 11-01-2022 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16569918)
Huh. 10 trades were made today and that's an NFL record.
Crazy.

Chris Meck 11-01-2022 02:46 PM
Some of you have lost your ****ing minds.

Hoopsdoc 11-01-2022 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16569691)
That's EXACTLY what he offers them.

Like I said - come the post-season, teams will be doing this specifically to counter what we do/don't do well.

And Hines is expressly designed to do exactly that. If we have to follow him out of the backfield, we can't send pressure. And if/when we try it anyway, he's gonna be there waiting for that swing pass or that arrow route.

Spags had better be setting up moves on moves right now because this is a move precisely to deal with the fact that we have to send extra guys to get after the quarterback.
Hines was seriously underutilized in Indy because they havent had a quarterback good enough to consistently get him the ball since old man Rivers. He caught 63 passes with Rivers in 2020.

Dude has 4.3 speed and he runs wr quality routes. He will be a WEAPON in Buffalo.

DJ's left nut 11-01-2022 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16569923)
Is this Clark wanting to hold the puck in writing somewhere or is this CP speculation at its finest?
Little of column A, little of column B.

A kernel of information was seized on by some as a gospel then gaps were filled in around it.

duncan_idaho 11-01-2022 02:50 PM
I would feel better about the team had they added at least a functional rotation piece to the DL.

But given the way they've approached this year - as a reset, a year when they're going to try to when but aren't 100 percent in - I get the idea of having a price you're willing to pay and sticking to it.

It's surprising to see Fenton moved. They must be pretty confident their CB room is going to be healthy, starting this week. And have some FA they're really after. I can't see it being Beckham at this point. Maybe Sheldon Richardson or Linval Joseph?

dirk digler 11-01-2022 02:51 PM
We didn't do shit except trade Fenton? Disappointing and I wouldn't have traded Fenton. I don't get that at all.

O.city 11-01-2022 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16569854)
Putting together a bid for OBJ, I guess.

I'm going to tell myself it's for Big Shel.

It isn't. Because I guess Vlasic thinks the DL is fine.
LOL, you think he's gonna come right off the street and play? Hell, it would take a month to get him in shape I'd guess.

This is what they've got.

Enjoy watching Malik herring chase Tua around in January. Should be fun.

htismaqe 11-01-2022 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16569954)
LOL, you think he's gonna come right off the street and play? Hell, it would take a month to get him in shape I'd guess.

This is what they've got.

Enjoy watching Malik herring chase Tua around in January. Should be fun.
So you're just giving up with over half the season left?

O.city 11-01-2022 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16569959)
So you're just giving up with over half the season left?
I mean, clearly they're good rolling with what they have on the DL. Thru half the season, yeah, they aren't good up there.

So are we thinking that changes?

I'm not giving up anything, it's a "reset" year, right?

htismaqe 11-01-2022 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16569963)
I mean, clearly they're good rolling with what they have on the DL. Thru half the season, yeah, they aren't good up there.

So are we thinking that changes?
You're acting like they needed to do something to be a contender, which is patently false.

You say "Enjoy watching Malik herring chase Tua around in January."

I say "Enjoy watching the Chiefs beat the Dolphins in January."

Grow a pair, man. Sack up.

Sassy Squatch 11-01-2022 02:59 PM
LMAO What a hilariously low bar

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Bears see new WR Chase Claypool growing into a role like the one Allen Lazard played for ex-Packers pass-game coordinator Luke Getsy in GB—inside/outside flexibility, can beat press from both spots, tenacious run blocker, and a real deep threat.<br><br>Lots of untapped potential.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1587544030048657408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O.city 11-01-2022 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16569968)
You're acting like they needed to do something to be a contender, which is patently false.

You say "Enjoy watching Malik herring chase Tua around in January."

I say "Enjoy watching the Chiefs beat the Dolphins in January."

Grow a pair, man. Sack up.
I've literally never said the Chiefs needed to do anything to be a contender. I've said they need to be better on the DL to defend the elite QB's they're gonna get in the postseason

They're still in that spot today they've been in for a couple years TBH. The chance to rectify that will come in April though when they're on the clock. :)

But in all honesty, there probably wasn't a move to be made that would really increase their superbowl odds by more than (insert small percent).

htismaqe 11-01-2022 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16569979)
LMAO What a hilariously low bar

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Bears see new WR Chase Claypool growing into a role like the one Allen Lazard played for ex-Packers pass-game coordinator Luke Getsy in GB—inside/outside flexibility, can beat press from both spots, tenacious run blocker, and a real deep threat.<br><br>Lots of untapped potential.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1587544030048657408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Packers Way.

htismaqe 11-01-2022 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16569982)
I've literally never said the Chiefs needed to do anything to be a contender. I've said they need to be better on the DL to defend the elite QB's they're gonna get in the postseason

They're still in that spot today they've been in for a couple years TBH. The chance to rectify that will come in April though when they're on the clock.
Just stop. You're being a pussy.

mabbott 11-01-2022 03:04 PM
The only trade that I am bummed about was being able to get Quinn on a rental for cheap. Other than that, I am confident that Veach didn't overpay for an asset that we wouldn't be able to resign or afford.

I feel that our D-line will get better as the year goes on, if it doesn't well then my faith was misplaced.

I am happy about getting rid of Fenton as he LOVED committing penalties. Not that I put much worth in PFF rating, but his dropped almost 30 points from last year to this year!

Coochie liquor 11-01-2022 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16569800)
Suh isn't going to wreck shit. He's still sitting at home for a reason.
Guess who else isn’t wrecking shit? Our ****ing DL as it stands. But yeah, why try to fix it with a FA vs trading picks for a guy who couldn’t even show out against the shitty Dungkeys.

htismaqe 11-01-2022 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16569996)
Guess who else isn’t wrecking shit? Our ****ing DL as it stands. But yeah, why try to fix it with a FA vs trading picks for a guy who couldn’t even show out against the shitty Dungkeys.
I didn't want Josh Allen so I'm not sure who you're talking to.

O.city 11-01-2022 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16569989)
Just stop. You're being a pussy.
Cool, will do.

Remember those words when they can't rush the passer in the playoffs. Don't come a bitchin

htismaqe 11-01-2022 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16570000)
Cool, will do.

Remember those words when they can't rush the passer in the playoffs. Don't come a bitchin
You're still being a pussy.

When they win in the playoffs, are you finally going to come to your senses?

TomBarndtsTwin 11-01-2022 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16569968)
You're acting like they needed to do something to be a contender, which is patently false.

You say "Enjoy watching Malik herring chase Tua around in January."

I say "Enjoy watching the Chiefs beat the Dolphins in January."

Grow a pair, man. Sack up.
No shit.

The Chiefs are definitively better than ANY team in the AFC not named the Bills.

And the Chiefs and Bills are basically equals at this point. It's like people forget that it took the Bills till the final minute of our regular season matchup to take the lead for good. That game could have gone either way very easily.

Hopefully the Chiefs will have all their pieces back and ready to go for the playoffs (be it in Buffalo or KC). Sounds like the Bills could be down a couple of All Pro safeties instead of just one.

As far as Miami goes, I would gladly welcome Tua in Arrowhead for his first road playoff game. Bring it.

Chieftain 11-01-2022 03:07 PM
Is Suh the best option available?

duncan_idaho 11-01-2022 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16569982)
I've literally never said the Chiefs needed to do anything to be a contender. I've said they need to be better on the DL to defend the elite QB's they're gonna get in the postseason

They're still in that spot today they've been in for a couple years TBH. The chance to rectify that will come in April though when they're on the clock. :)

But in all honesty, there probably wasn't a move to be made that would really increase their superbowl odds by more than (insert small percent).
They're not all-in this year. It's weird, but that's where they are.

I think they realize that (1) the team as constructed, with good health, is good enough to win the AFC and the Super Bowl and (2) holding off on all-in moves this year is going to position them better to be all in for 2023 and/or 24 and/or 25.

O.city 11-01-2022 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16570003)
You're still being a pussy.

When they win in the playoffs, are you finally going to come to your senses?
They have a HOF coach and a HOF QB. I expect them to win in the playoffs.

If they don't I'm assuming you'll figure that's a let down or disappointment or just look forward to the draft in KC?

htismaqe 11-01-2022 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 16570007)
No shit.

The Chiefs are definitively better than ANY team in the AFC not named the Bills.

And the Chiefs and Bills are basically equals at this point. It's like people forget that it took the Bills till the final minute of our regular season matchup to take the lead for good. That game could have gone either way very easily.

Hopefully the Chiefs will have all their pieces back and ready to go for the playoffs (be it in Buffalo or KC). Sounds like the Bills could be down a couple of All Pro safeties instead of just one.

As far as Miami goes, I would gladly welcome Tua in Arrowhead for his first road playoff game. Bring it.
They held the mighty, unstoppable Bills to 24 points. Just ONE more successful offensive drive and they win. It's that simple.

DJ's left nut 11-01-2022 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16569979)
LMAO What a hilariously low bar

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Bears see new WR Chase Claypool growing into a role like the one Allen Lazard played for ex-Packers pass-game coordinator Luke Getsy in GB—inside/outside flexibility, can beat press from both spots, tenacious run blocker, and a real deep threat.<br><br>Lots of untapped potential.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1587544030048657408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
They're just looking for a guy with a large catch radius to catch those 100 mph flat missiles that Fields throws since he's erratic as hell and doesn't have any touch.

Welcome to the Matt Cassel zone, Bears - when you guys go out there making ill-thought out decisions to try to put lipstick on a pig. We went out grabbing midgets who could run after the catch since Cassel couldn't scan through multiple targets without bed-shitting.

It didn't work.

htismaqe 11-01-2022 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16570015)
They have a HOF coach and a HOF QB. I expect them to win in the playoffs.

If they don't I'm assuming you'll figure that's a let down or disappointment or just look forward to the draft in KC?
I'll figure it's football.

I always look forward to the offseason. It's a fun time regardless.

ChiTown 11-01-2022 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mabbott (Post 16569995)
The only trade that I am bummed about was being able to get Quinn on a rental for cheap. Other than that, I am confident that Veach didn't overpay for an asset that we wouldn't be able to resign or afford.

I feel that our D-line will get better as the year goes on, if it doesn't well then my faith was misplaced.

I am happy about getting rid of Fenton as he LOVED committing penalties. Not that I put much worth in PFF rating, but his dropped almost 30 points from last year to this year!
The only thing I can think of is that they feel good with the possibility of a resurging Frank Clark and they are banking on the learning curve flattening in the second half for Karlaftis. And, Dunlap has been decent so far, especially with Pass Deflections in the last couple of games. Let's just say that I'm cautiously optimistic.

O.city 11-01-2022 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16570012)
They're not all-in this year. It's weird, but that's where they are.

I think they realize that (1) the team as constructed, with good health, is good enough to win the AFC and the Super Bowl and (2) holding off on all-in moves this year is going to position them better to be all in for 2023 and/or 24 and/or 25.
When you feel like you're right there in the AFC and the SB race, woudln't that behoove you to make a move to try to get even the smallest advantage?

I don't have a problem with playing it this way, but at some point, they're gonna have to win more trophies. You can't keep burning these seasons with Andy and Pat and Kelce because of the "future" forever, right?

DJ's left nut 11-01-2022 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16570012)
They're not all-in this year. It's weird, but that's where they are.

I think they realize that (1) the team as constructed, with good health, is good enough to win the AFC and the Super Bowl and (2) holding off on all-in moves this year is going to position them better to be all in for 2023 and/or 24 and/or 25.
They'll have a puncher's chance for as long as Mahomes is here - well, for at least as long as Mahomes is here and Kelce is still the weapon he is.

Just feels like there was more that could've been done, though.

mnchiefsguy 11-01-2022 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16570019)
They held the mighty, unstoppable Bills to 24 points. Just ONE more successful offensive drive and they win. It's that simple.
And, in the playoffs, we will have McDuffie hopefully playing well and will be healther on Defense.

I am really hoping the Defense goes on a bit of run after the bye and takes a step up...if they do, look out...might not lose again.

DJ's left nut 11-01-2022 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mabbott (Post 16569995)
The only trade that I am bummed about was being able to get Quinn on a rental for cheap. Other than that, I am confident that Veach didn't overpay for an asset that we wouldn't be able to resign or afford.

I feel that our D-line will get better as the year goes on, if it doesn't well then my faith was misplaced.

I am happy about getting rid of Fenton as he LOVED committing penalties. Not that I put much worth in PFF rating, but his dropped almost 30 points from last year to this year!
Yeah, with the Bears absorbing almost all of his cap hit, it seems like a move the Chiefs should've made. Especially if they were aware (and one thinks they would've been) that Hughes didn't want to be moved.

But I'm beating a dead horse to this point. I've said for 6+ months that I do not understand how the Chiefs are handling their DL at all. I still don't.

It is what it is.

htismaqe 11-01-2022 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16570024)
When you feel like you're right there in the AFC and the SB race, woudln't that behoove you to make a move to try to get even the smallest advantage?

I don't have a problem with playing it this way, but at some point, they're gonna have to win more trophies. You can't keep burning these seasons with Andy and Pat and Kelce because of the "future" forever, right?
They tried to make a move, man. The asking prices were just too high. What did you want them to do? Offer up two 1st's and more for Josh Allen or Brian Burns?

Were you really so eager to trade that you'd have them give up not one but possibly THREE players just to get one 2nd-tier pass rusher?

O.city 11-01-2022 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16570036)
Yeah, with the Bears absorbing almost all of his cap hit, it seems like a move the Chiefs should've made. Especially if they were aware (and one thinks they would've been) that Hughes didn't want to be moved.

But I'm beating a dead horse to this point. I've said for 6+ months that I do not understand how the Chiefs are handling their DL at all. I still don't.

It is what it is.
It's a bit scary, but the evidence we have seems to point to them having a real blind spot on the DE/DT prospect acquisitions.

I dunno, just weird.

htismaqe 11-01-2022 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16570027)
They'll have a puncher's chance for as long as Mahomes is here - well, for at least as long as Mahomes is here and Kelce is still the weapon he is.

Just feels like there was more that could've been done, though.
Of course more could have been done.

But they didn't.

And we're still contenders.

The hand-wringing is absurd.

Chris Meck 11-01-2022 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16570024)
When you feel like you're right there in the AFC and the SB race, woudln't that behoove you to make a move to try to get even the smallest advantage?

I don't have a problem with playing it this way, but at some point, they're gonna have to win more trophies. You can't keep burning these seasons with Andy and Pat and Kelce because of the "future" forever, right?
So, we're just 'burning' this season, in your opinion? What, because we didn't send two firsts for Burns?

You're nuts.

O.city 11-01-2022 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16570050)
So, we're just 'burning' this season, in your opinion? What, because we didn't send two firsts for Burns?

You're nuts.
Is this a reset year or not?

smithandrew051 11-01-2022 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16570050)
So, we're just 'burning' this season, in your opinion? What, because we didn't send two firsts for Burns?

You're nuts.
We’re burning this season because we didn’t burn the next two seasons!!!

suzzer99 11-01-2022 03:17 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a very, very minor critique. I’m elated they didn’t mortgage their future to increase their 2022 SB odds by 0.5 pct</p>&mdash; Eric Eager ���� (@ericeager_) <a href="https://twitter.com/ericeager_/status/1587550364571607040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

TomBarndtsTwin 11-01-2022 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16570015)
They have a HOF coach and a HOF QB. I expect them to win in the playoffs.

If they don't I'm assuming you'll figure that's a let down or disappointment or just look forward to the draft in KC?
That HOF coach and HOF QB have participated in 11 playoff games together. They've won 8 of those.

You think that's suddenly going to up and vanish like a fart in the wind because they didn't trade for some 'impact' D-Lineman before the deadline?

Come on, man.

Bearcat 11-01-2022 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16570041)
They tried to make a move, man. The asking prices were just too high. What did you want them to do? Offer up two 1st's and more for Josh Allen or Brian Burns?

Were you really so eager to trade that you'd have them give up not one but possibly THREE players just to get one 2nd-tier pass rusher?
Yeah, it's one thing to second guess what ACTUALLY happened if we knew, but to just assume Verch sat on his hands or sees it as a rebuilding year, etc; with the limited knowledge we have.... JFC, this isn't Madden.

duncan_idaho 11-01-2022 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16570019)
They held the mighty, unstoppable Bills to 24 points. Just ONE more successful offensive drive and they win. It's that simple.
That, or a healthy kicker.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16570027)
They'll have a puncher's chance for as long as Mahomes is here - well, for at least as long as Mahomes is here and Kelce is still the weapon he is.

Just feels like there was more that could've been done, though.
Yeah, I would have liked to see them add at least a complementary pass rusher to the fold. Someone to force Malik Herring out of the rotation.

But again, I'd rather them not roll the dice this year and avoid overpayment than jump in and do something that hurts in 2023+.

Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16570024)
When you feel like you're right there in the AFC and the SB race, woudln't that behoove you to make a move to try to get even the smallest advantage?

I don't have a problem with playing it this way, but at some point, they're gonna have to win more trophies. You can't keep burning these seasons with Andy and Pat and Kelce because of the "future" forever, right?
I don't see it as burning it. I see it as the team feeling that it IS good enough as constructed and sticking to its plan and price ranges.

Being too conservative definitely has potential pitfalls. But so does being too aggressive.

raybec 4 11-01-2022 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16569897)
It's possible he's a headcase. We've seen his behavior on the field. He's been a starter for a year and a half and honestly we're not losing anything with Jaylen Watson, who has upside that dwarfs Fenton.

Maybe he threw a fit. It's Tuesday, he may have been told now that he's returning from injury he's CB4.

He melted down, and we shuffled him out the door as fast as humanly possible.

I'm just writing Chiefs fan fiction at this point, but we've seen this team inexplicably cut bait with CBs before and we've never learned the truth.
But they wrecked us!!!!

Chieftain 11-01-2022 03:20 PM
I liked Eager's work with PFF and his thought process. He has tweeted often about the Chiefs as of late. Is he a Chiefs fan?

DJ's left nut 11-01-2022 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16570044)
It's a bit scary, but the evidence we have seems to point to them having a real blind spot on the DE/DT prospect acquisitions.

I dunno, just weird.
A small sample size yet, but they need a hit in fairly short order.

Speaks, K-Pass, Kaindoh - blech. Not to mention the Clark miss, signing Okafor and moving on from Ogbah. Their 'wins' thus far have been Wharton and Danna; Nnadi has been mostly a draw. Even fliers like Reed haven't amounted to dick.

5 years and they haven't really brought in a single meaningful player. That's starting to become more of a trend than a blip.

They gotta get a couple more right in short order. Maybe it starts with Karlaftis turning a corner.

-King- 11-01-2022 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16569800)
Suh isn't going to wreck shit. He's still sitting at home for a reason.
He had only 1.5 less sacks last year than all our DTs not named Chris Jones combined. I don't see why it would be a bad idea to sign him if that's probably our best option right now on the DL.

To me, him not signing to a team so far is more likely him waiting to sign to a contender for the home stretch than teams not thinking he can play anymore.

suzzer99 11-01-2022 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16570073)
I liked Eager's work with PFF and his thought process. He has tweeted often about the Chiefs as of late. Is he a Chiefs fan?
yes

O.city 11-01-2022 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16570066)
That, or a healthy kicker.



Yeah, I would have liked to see them add at least a complementary pass rusher to the fold. Someone to force Malik Herring out of the rotation.

But again, I'd rather them not roll the dice this year and avoid overpayment than jump in and do something that hurts in 2023+.



I don't see it as burning it. I see it as the team feeling that it IS good enough as constructed and sticking to its plan and price ranges.

Being too conservative definitely has potential pitfalls. But so does being too aggressive.
It's not even really the trade deadline for me. You can't pay what was supposedly out there for the DE's. As much as I like the players, you can't do that.

But even thru the offseason, they just didn't seem to think the DL was an issue. I dunno, seems like they whiffed on it.

raybec 4 11-01-2022 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16570074)
A small sample size yet, but they need a hit in fairly short order.

Speaks, K-Pass, Kaindoh - blech. Not to mention the Clark miss, signing Okafor and moving on from Ogbah. Their 'wins' thus far have been Wharton and Danna; Nnadi has been mostly a draw. Even fliers like Reed haven't amounted to dick.

5 years and they haven't really brought in a single meaningful player. That's starting to become more of a trend than a blip.

They gotta get a couple more right in short order. Maybe it starts with Karlaftis turning a corner.
I'm willing to concede that I felt the same way about the corner position until they just carpet bombed it with draft picks this year. Hopefully they get someone who is a true difference maker.

htismaqe 11-01-2022 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16570075)
He had only 1.5 less sacks last year than all our DTs not named Chris Jones combined. I don't see why it would be a bad idea to sign him if that's probably our best option right now on the DL.

To me, him not signing to a team so far is more likely him waiting to sign to a contender for the home stretch than teams not thinking he can play anymore.
Last I read, he wanted in the neighborhood of $9M. We simply can't afford that. Now if he wants to cut that in half, it might be worth it.

O.city 11-01-2022 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16570079)
I'm willing to concede that I felt the same way about the corner position until they just carpet bombed it with draft picks this year. Hopefully they get someone who is a true difference maker.
The problem with that is that you don't know what you don't know and another hole opens up somewhere.

They blasted the secondary with draft picks and some are looking good, but the DL and or Offense coudl have used some TLC with a few of the picks potentially.

-King- 11-01-2022 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16570083)
Last I read, he wanted in the neighborhood of $9M. We simply can't afford that. Now if he wants to cut that in half, it might be worth it.
That was before the season. So yeah likely less now.

ChiTown 11-01-2022 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16570074)
A small sample size yet, but they need a hit in fairly short order.

Speaks, K-Pass, Kaindoh - blech. Not to mention the Clark miss, signing Okafor and moving on from Ogbah. Their 'wins' thus far have been Wharton and Danna; Nnadi has been mostly a draw. Even fliers like Reed haven't amounted to dick.

5 years and they haven't really brought in a single meaningful player. That's starting to become more of a trend than a blip.

They gotta get a couple more right in short order. Maybe it starts with Karlaftis turning a corner.
It's absolutely concerning, and moreover, baffling to me. When you think of what they have been able to accomplish with the back 7 on this D, it's amazing how equally "bad' they have been managing the front 4. That's got to change, and I agree, I hope it starts with #56.

emaw1979 11-01-2022 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16570074)
A small sample size yet, but they need a hit in fairly short order.

Speaks, K-Pass, Kaindoh - blech. Not to mention the Clark miss, signing Okafor and moving on from Ogbah. Their 'wins' thus far have been Wharton and Danna; Nnadi has been mostly a draw. Even fliers like Reed haven't amounted to dick.

5 years and they haven't really brought in a single meaningful player. That's starting to become more of a trend than a blip.

They gotta get a couple more right in short order. Maybe it starts with Karlaftis turning a corner.
I posted something similar about this and WRs before the draft which they suck at drafting as well (outside of hill who was oozing with natural talent and desire to be great).


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