Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10499320)

Was funny watching Andrus shake his head going back to the dugout as if to say "damn... so its gonna be like that tonight, eh?"

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10499321)

There was understandably some fatigue on Royals pitching prospects at this point last year. Then Ventura went out, dominated at AA and performed very well at AAA, especially for his age.

Ventura's success at AAA came about the time the light clicked on for Kyle Zimmer and he went on a tear at A+ and AA.

Each has succeeded at a higher level/more impressive level than any of the Royals top 5 guys in 2011.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10499321)

There was understandably some fatigue on Royals pitching prospects at this point last year. Then Ventura went out, dominated at AA and performed very well at AAA, especially for his age.

Ventura's success at AAA came about the time the light clicked on for Kyle Zimmer and he went on a tear at A+ and AA.

Each has succeeded at a higher level/more impressive level than any of the Royals top 5 guys in 2011.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10499332)

Went and looked. Prison Bitch, Tegu, and Chiefs Country lead the charge of Ventura for Howie last July. You should all be beaned with a Ventura heater, gentlemen.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10499350)

Citation please. I like Ventura a lot. I seem to recall thinking they wouldn't do a deal without him or Duffy in it. personally I never liked Duffy so that's what I recall saying I would do but I could be wrong.


Either way, acquiring Kendrick would've saved us 8M per on Infante (who is worse) and that money could've been allocated to retaining Santana anyway.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10499355)

You said you were cool letting Duffy or Ventura go but wanted to hang on to Zimmer.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10499371)

On Dec 6 2013 at noon I did write that Ventura & Duffy were not good trade values for Kendrick due to the 10M cost he brings which effectively wipes out his WAR value. And that we need them to plug the hole from Shields leaving:
http://m.chiefsplanet.com/showthread...75329&page=215

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10499384)

Good. I'm glad you changed your position from your July 2013 post.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10499590)

Looks like you were the one arguing about giving up Ventura:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=7891

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10499653)

LMAO I was wondering if I was back then to. Ill take one between the shoulder blades with ya.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10499667)

I think the scenario has changed substantially since then as (1) we were able to see Ventura pitch at the MLB level and succeed, (2) we lost Santana, and (3) signed Infante.


That said young pitchers are no sure thing either. Jarrod Parker, Kris Medlen, Brandon Beachy, and Corbin in AZ are all out for the year. It's crazy how many are dropping this spring.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10499681)

The thing we now understand about Ventura is even if he fails his ceiling is WAY too high to give up on in the near future barring injury.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10499681)

The thing we now understand about Ventura is even if he fails his ceiling is WAY too high to give up on in the near future barring injury.