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KCChiefsMan 04-05-2010 06:43 PM

I was a guy who wanted Sanchez, for the record. That was before the whole Cassel trade. Don't make me dig up the old posts.

Chiefnj2 04-05-2010 06:46 PM

Mecca is arguing against Cassel and talking about the importance of getting a franchise QB, yet he votes for Berry in the poll.

Which is it, Berry or Clausen?

Mecca 04-05-2010 06:46 PM

Then why are you pimping Suh he's not a NT...

Mecca 04-05-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6654258)
Mecca is arguing against Cassel and talking about the importance of getting a franchise QB, yet he votes for Berry in the poll.

Which is it, Berry or Clausen?

There's no chance this team will take a QB so I voted for the best realistic option.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-05-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6654249)
I like Berry. And if the Chiefs pick him w/o addressing other areas of need like OLB, ILB, and or NT I'd still expect their defense to suck.

Don't get me wrong, Berry will help, but the key weaknesses to our defense last year was that we both sucked against the pass and the run. And safety or no safety, I don't give damn who you got back there, if you can't get to the quarterback or stop the run you ain't fielding a good defense. Bottomline.

I'd be happy w/ Berry. But Id pissed if the chiefs didn't get another OLB to go w/ it and a couple of ILB's or NT.

Im a firm believer in a good front 7. Chiefs severly lack talent upfront. And also OL. If you have those two, everyone elses job is a heck of a lot easier and your team can do more things by being creative.

*But Im just being me, I value linemen a lot more than other positions. Thats just me bro. I just think linemen and linebackers set more of an importance and serve as better examples out there that overall make your team better.

You are absolutely correct. Berry alone won't fix everything, but a nose and some backers can be had with our other picks in this draft. There is some good value to be had.

RedThat 04-05-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 6654263)
You are absolutely correct. Berry alone won't fix everything, but a nose and some backers can be had with our other picks in this draft. There is some good value to be had.

I agree.

I think KC is in a great situation and I really hope they capitalize on this opportunity to improve their team. Mainly the defensive side of the ball.

Even if they go Berry in rd 1, I think they can add another linebacker or 2 in rounds 2 and 3. There are some good quality players in this draft that I feel are great fits in a 3-4 scheme and that can help the defense.

boogblaster 04-05-2010 07:27 PM

I agree to the D needs .. but without a NT we have to go back to th 4-3 ...

notorious 04-05-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by boogblaster (Post 6654335)
I agree to the D needs .. but without a NT we have to go back to th 4-3 ...


Why did we switch to the 3-4 again?


This defense would be miles ahead of where they are if they would have stuck with the 4-3.

Brock 04-05-2010 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6654140)
Says the guy who says Jared Allen will be the next Aaron Schobel...Uh huh lol

Says the guy who says Glenn Dorsey is a bust after one season.

DaneMcCloud 04-05-2010 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6653737)
If we had drafted Sanchez last year and he played like he did last year, some of you would be calling for his head. Keep in mind that the Jets managed to make the playoffs in spite of him, certainly not because of him. Imagine how terrible he would have been on this team.

Bullshit.

And Sanchez played his best ball of the year in the playoffs.

You're a ****ing moron.

And no, the Chiefs won't take Clausen because they're the ****ing Chiefs.

whoman69 04-05-2010 09:05 PM

Why did we go with the 3-4? Because its the way to go to win a championship. We weren't exactly tearing it up in the 4-3 so I have no idea why people are still crying about the switch. The parts we had have responded well to the 3-4 IMO. We didn't have any tackles for a 4-3 either. The two players we drafted for the 3-4 last year need to pick it up.

I think the teams ahead of us are pretty transparent in what they need and will go for with the only real choice being in Detroit. They could go OT but Suh and McCoy will be too good for them to pass up. I'd say if either of those DT's fall to us we should grab them up. I don't care if they're the prototypical 3-4 tackles. I think McCoy can be, and Suh is the type player that is athletic enough to make people rethink the position. Both are around 300.

More than likely I think our choices are going to be between Bulaga, Berry and Clausen. I've said before that I don't think Clausen is head and shoulders above those who will be available in the 3rd. Picking Clausen also tells Cassel he's done. Even though I would still see him starting the season as number one, we won't see any production from him in a lame duck status.

Bulaga has all the physical tools but lacks technique. Its easy to say coach him up. That takes time, and all too often a player will revert to what they are familiar with in crunch time. Long run it might be a good choice, but we need help right now. I see him more a selection for the mid first round where teams may not need him there immediately.

I am going to admit that I am reversing my course of what I have said previous. Berry is the best player available. He is at a position of great need. I'm still not convinced that safety is a position that should be picked this high. There are an increasing number of teams though that have game changing safeties on their team, guys like Polumalu, Reed, Sanders. They can be like adding an extra linebacker against the run, something which has been soft for us. We could also use a ball hawk in the passing game.

Brock 04-05-2010 09:09 PM

The parts they had responded well to the 3-4? That defense had its poop pushed in all year.

notorious 04-05-2010 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 6654593)
Why did we go with the 3-4? Because its the way to go to win a championship. We weren't exactly tearing it up in the 4-3 so I have no idea why people are still crying about the switch.



Look at history. Trend SETTING defense wins games and championships, not the followers.

We ****ed ourselves when we went 3-4 when we did. A lot of teams made the switch when we did so now we have to compete with them for the same type of player.

I love the way a 3-4 can be geared toward an all-out aggressive scheme. Pittsburgh looks like they attempt jailbreak blitzes, but they only send 4-5 players. If Crennel adopts this scheme I will LOVE it.

The difference this year is Crennel. Hopefully he can make it shine.

MoreLemonPledge 04-05-2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6654592)
Bullshit.

And Sanchez played his best ball of the year in the playoffs.

You're a ****ing moron.

And no, the Chiefs won't take Clausen because they're the ****ing Chiefs.

Jesus, Dane. No one can admit that Sanchez had a good year.

His team led the league in rushing and defense and he still posted a line of 12:20 TD:Int, 2381 yds, 6.9 Y/A, and a 54.2 comp %.

Just imagine what his stats would have been with the Chiefs. He would make Cassel look like a Pro Bowler.

whoman69 04-05-2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6654619)
Look at history. Trend SETTING defense wins games and championships, not the followers.

We ****ed ourselves when we went 3-4 when we did. A lot of teams made the switch when we did so now we have to compete with them for the same type of player.

I love the way a 3-4 can be geared toward an all-out aggressive scheme. Pittsburgh looks like they attempt jailbreak blitzes, but they only send 4-5 players. If Crennel adopts this scheme I will LOVE it.

The difference this year is Crennel. Hopefully he can make it shine.

This is a copy cat league.

The days of the dominant defenses winning championships is past. Pittsburg won two years ago because their offense was able to keep up with Arizona's. The game doesn't allow for a team to build a defensive powerhouse because someone is going to find a way to exploit it. Teams need to be more balanced. I think Crennel will make a difference. Its all about confusing the opposition and not allow them to see where the deficiencies are from play to play.


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