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ChiefsCountry 01-22-2011 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7374829)
Regardless, over the next 5 years, our ML payroll is going to need to get to MN Twins level.
If our young talent deserves the money then we should reach that level.

Saul Good 01-22-2011 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 7374786)
Yeah, this is pretty much incorrect, a 13-10 record with a 3.47 era would not be a disappointing year for any pitcher.
I don't know where he ranked that season, but a 3.47 ERA would have put him 32nd out of 93 qualifying starters in MLB this season. The win total would have tied him for 41st. He was a good starter, but he wasn't an ace. He would have been a solid #2 on a good team.

jbwm89 01-22-2011 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7374567)
Overall, I agree, but now that the Twins are "there," complete with a new stadium, they have a sizable payroll; this needs to be the model for the Royals. $70M will not be sufficient.

While Glass has been better, Kietzman (I know, I know) made an interesting point the other day: Glass has essentially not agreed to interview requests ever since the vote passed for the stadium improvements. He was around for a brief period when the All-Star Game was announced, but otherwise...nothing. But he was glad to make many an appearance to lock up $200M+ of tax payer money.

So I'm sorry. Glass might be better, but there are still some very interesting douche signs reverberating from Arkansas. Furthermore, I will never fully give him a pass for shitting on this franchise for the better part of a decade. He tried to kill it, and now it's (somewhat) being brought back from the grave. Ultimately, **** him.
I hate Glass especially for what he did, but since the DM signing there is not a whole lot to complain about. Spending money right now will not help things one bit, if we get good and don't sign these guys to long term deals then I will be absolutely livid.

keg in kc 01-22-2011 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7374822)
The length of the contract is perfect as far as I'm concerned. He's a good hitter who has publicly put himself out there as a loyal soldier for the team. On the other hand, he also won't have a position when Hosmer comes up.

4 years at a $7.5MM AAV for a good DH sounds about right.
I wasn't criticizing the contract in any way, only pointing out that we won't really know how much of a "loyal soldier" he is until he signs his next contract.

Grienke also signed a four year extension at one point, back in 2009...
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Originally Posted by Zach Grienke
"Each year we've improved and it looks like we're going to continue to," he said. "And that's pretty exciting for me because like I said, three or four years ago I didn't see it coming. It's really taken a good turn for the better.

"Three years ago I was in the minor leagues, two years ago I was in the bullpen not capable of getting hitters out as a starter. Just coming from being so low in those situations to being, after one good year, a really good deal and the chance to stay with Kansas City for four more years. ... It's just really neat to look back at it."

Reaper16 01-22-2011 01:23 PM
lol @ the retconning of Greinke.

jbwm89 01-22-2011 01:23 PM
So what do we do if Kila has a monster year and Butler continues to be a solid producer? move one of Kila/Hosmer to RF? Trade one?

DeezNutz 01-22-2011 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 7374857)
So what do we do if Kila has a monster year and Butler continues to be a solid producer? move one of Kila/Hosmer to RF? Trade one?
Hosmer is going to play 1B at an elite level, we hope. Myers is our RF of the future. As always, Kila will be the odd man out.

keg in kc 01-22-2011 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 7374857)
So what do we do if Kila has a monster year and Butler continues to be a solid producer? move one of Kila/Hosmer to RF? Trade one?
I know they (meaning DM and the Royals) love Kila, but I still think he's maybe a AAAA hitter.

DeezNutz 01-22-2011 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 7374852)
I hate Glass especially for what he did, but since the DM signing there is not a whole lot to complain about. Spending money right now will not help things one bit, if we get good and don't sign these guys to long term deals then I will be absolutely livid.
Haven't said anything to the contrary. In the very near future, though, a ML payroll threshold around $70M will not be acceptable.

keg in kc 01-22-2011 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7374856)
lol @ the retconning of Greinke.
It was pretty funny, I googled to make sure it wasn't my imagination that he'd signed an extension and came across an article with that quote. It was like a mixture of :eek: and LMAO Not sure why, but I'd almost completely forgotten all of that.

My how things change...

Saul Good 01-22-2011 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7374856)
lol @ the retconning of Greinke.
The guy is supremely talented, but he's a sub .500 career pitcher who walked away from the team once and didn't want to be here after signing his contract. How can anyone deny that he has been a career underachiever?

I'll grant that an underachieving Greinke makes him better than average, but he deserves his share of blame for the team's struggles. When you never know if your team's best player is going to fuck around on the mound and throw whatever the hell he feels like throwing, that's a problem.

The Brewers should be a contender, so they should see the best of Zack, but that doesn't absolve him for his petulance in KC.

Sure-Oz 01-22-2011 01:33 PM
Kila will start at DH/1b all year right? im hoping he can put up solid #'s to be trade worthy

DeezNutz 01-22-2011 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7374877)
The guy is supremely talented, but he's a sub .500 career pitcher who walked away from the team once and didn't want to be here after signing his contract. How can anyone deny that he has been a career underachiever?

I'll grant that an underachieving Greinke makes him better than average, but he deserves his share of blame for the team's struggles. When you never know if your team's best player is going to fuck around on the mound and throw whatever the hell he feels like throwing, that's a problem.

The Brewers should be a contender, so they should see the best of Zack, but that doesn't absolve him for his petulance in KC.
Nonsense.

I like how a team's best player is often blamed for the shit that surrounds him. While I grant that Greinke is a ****ing flake and could (and should) have had a more significant role earlier, he has been the least of the team's problems the last several years.

1. The ML roster construction has been abysmal. Who's fault is that?
2. Hillman is arguably one of the worst managers in ML history. Who brought him to KC?

For as strong is our farm system is, DM deserves a shit ton of blame for things at the ML level. Ironically, he largely gets a pass from most fans.

Sure-Oz 01-22-2011 01:41 PM
This has to be DM's best offseason ever i must admit...his MLB moves need to improve

Saul Good 01-22-2011 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7374892)
Nonsense.

I like how a team's best player is often blamed for the shit that surrounds him. While I grant that Greinke is a ****ing flake and could (and should) have had a more significant role earlier, he has been the least of the team's problems the last several years.

1. The ML roster construction has been abysmal. Who's fault is that?
2. Hillman is arguably one of the worst managers in ML history. Who brought him to KC?

For as strong is our farm system is, DM deserves a shit ton of blame for things at the ML level. Ironically, he largely gets a pass from most fans.
He didn't walk away from the team? He didn't throw under 80 MPH for innings at a time just for his own amusement? He doesn't have a career ERA of 4+ outside of his one great season?

I'm not excusing DG, DM, or anyone else for the team's failures. There is plenty of blame to go around. Zack is the most talented player the Royals have had in nearly a decade, and he mailed it in a good portion of the time. He doesn't get a pass for his behavior from me. When Meche was on top of his game, we would have had a damned good staff had Greinke pitched to his potential.


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