No, no, no. This is just like any other employer-employee relationship.

Can you imagine demanding to see your boss's books?!!?

If I'm one of a very select few people who can do my job which nets my employer millions/billions of dollars I can.

And yet they were still more than $350M apart from the PA's position. They spent a week sitting with their thumbs collectively up their asses, came back with a weak offer at the 11th hour and the players didn't bite. In fact, I believe the PA's position on the last offer before the decertification has been that it wasn't materially different from what got the extension in the first place.

Look at it from the PA's perspective, they caught the league screwing them with the lockout insurance. They gave them a week's extension in negotiations and as the only real negotiation in that extension got a meh new offer at the 11th hour. And to top it off you are getting hammered in the PR battle. Is your best move to punt and see if the owners actually do something next week as you take another week of them hammering you in PR or make a play for leverage, decertify, and file a lawsuit? Considering where we are today with the NFL crying wolf about how great the status quo was after spending so much time harping about how it was going to bankrupt them I think the players made the entirely correct move.

P.S. The NFL wouldn't repeatedly be getting their ass handed to them legally if there was any law to support the positions they've been taking, it isn't like they are hiring incompetent lawyers.

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What was negotiated in the past regarding oversight was clearly insufficient to the current desired tasks. That's not the same as incompetence. The prior desired tasks were not as demanding of information from the owners' financials.

Then why don't these startup leagues lure some of the big stars over with huge buckets of money if it's that easy to overtake the NFL? It's not like the NFL actually owns the exclusive right to these players.

I disagree with your argument that college football and pro football are apples and oranges. On the important factors (the game of football), they're both apples. The biggest differences are that college has inferior players overall and that it's stars are flushed every couple of years. That actually strengthens my argument rather than weakens it, IMO.

If it didn't serve the oversight purpose then it was incompetent. If the oversight purpose was served, then further disclosure is unnecessary.

What do you think happened back in the 60s with the AFL? What you're proposing is precisely why the NFL agreed to merge with the "inferior league" as it was thought of at the time.If that is true, why isn't NFL Europe, the UFL, and arena football just as popular? It's football right?

There are millions of people that can play football and the owners don't require the best. They just require a competitive product.

There's a best dishwasher salesmen in the world. You don't see Sears or Best Buy in a bidding war to get that guy and paying him millions of dollars a year.

Yes, I already mentioned that. Out of the several times that alternative owners attempted to best the NFL, that was the most successful failure. They didn't beat them, but they did well enough to be invited to join.

Because they don't have the NFL owners, their traditions, their infrastructure, and their exposure. It would be a huge setback to the NFL to suffer a one time loss of all of their pro-bowlers to the UFL, but I'd bet that the NFL would overcome that setback and be on top 5 years from now. The UFL might be able to parlay that boon into some kind of merger, but I don't think it could become the dominant pro football league.

Those of you on the player's side are also ignoring the fact that the vast majority of the current NFL players would still wind up on an NFL roster, even under new rules set entirely by the owners. A bunch of those guys are living paycheck to paycheck and/or can't make anywhere near that kind of money anywhere else.

Where would the television dollars go? To an NFL loaded with scabs? Or to the upstart league loaded with the most talented players?

Infrastructure is the biggest hurdle, and it's an enormous one.

If channel A has a game between Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, and channel B has a game between Daunte Culpepper and Cleo Lemon, who are you going to watch?
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If (insert big name franchise QB) hit the open NFL market, there would be a bidding war for his services in the millions of dollars. That's why comparing people who aren't NFL players to NFL players is a bad idea. It's a different set of circumstances.

If I just want a basic revenue total, I only need one amount of information. If I want a full accounting of revenues and expenses, I need a different amount of information. I refuse to believe that you're too stupid to figure this out.

Instead they hire a marketing department and spend millions on them, advertising and promotional pricing.