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Dexter Manley 12-27-2011 09:26 AM

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Bane 12-27-2011 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8238533)
You know why Tomlin, McCarthy, and Payton were "great hires"? Big Ben, Rodgers, and Brees.

Touche.

Dexter Manley 12-27-2011 09:34 AM

Perhaps the playoffs should just be a QB skills competition, since no other position matters except QB...

Bane 12-27-2011 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8238533)
You know why Tomlin, McCarthy, and Payton were "great hires"? Big Ben, Rodgers, and Brees.

I think that's what pisses me off more than anything.The fact that after so many years and supposedly "cleaning house" for Pioli,we still can't develop or even draft a goddamn QB that we're able to build around is an absolute joke.I'm not necessarily including Stanzi in there because he hasn't been able to see the field yet and I'm not real sure what the kid brings to the table.

chiefzilla1501 12-27-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8238533)
You know why Tomlin, McCarthy, and Payton were "great hires"? Big Ben, Rodgers, and Brees.

Undoubtedly. But that does a tremendous disservice to the kind of teams they built. They are also tremendous coaches. A guy like norv could never do close to the things those guys did.

Dexter Manley 12-27-2011 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bane (Post 8238563)
I think that's what pisses me off more than anything.The fact that after so many years and supposedly "cleaning house" for Pioli,we still can't develop or even draft a goddamn QB that we're able to build around is an absolute joke.I'm not necessarily including Stanzi in there because he hasn't been able to see the field yet and I'm not real sure what the kid brings to the table.


Option 1

Hire Pioli, the PATS RULE BABY, go to 3-4, waste 3rd overall pick on Tyson Jackson, trade second for Cassel

or

Option 2

Realize Pioli is precisely who Bill B wants us (or one of the other 30 teams) to hire because he sucks and has done nothing but put his beak up Bill B's butt... don't waste the 3rd overall on a needless switch to 3-4, don't trade value for a Pats backup QB who was a backup in college, don't whiff on Kansas State QB Josh Freeman, and don't let Jason Babin walk for nothing...

okcchief 12-27-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 8238372)
At this point as long as Cassel is no longer part of the team I don't care.

This.

htismaqe 12-27-2011 11:17 AM

Get rid of Cassel and then ask me if I care.

Okie_Apparition 12-27-2011 11:41 AM

The Chiefs are Jeff Fisher

FD 12-27-2011 12:06 PM

A year old article from a Houston writer, worth a read.

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He is as average a coach as the Texans' Gary Kubiak has been. Fisher might be the best average coach in NFL history. He is certainly the least accomplished, longest-tenured coach the league has seen.

His greatest accomplishment is that he has yet to be fired. Granted, that is a notable feat considering his boss fired six coaches in the previous stretch matching Fisher's tenure.

Those coaches had 10 winning years and 10 playoff seasons compared to Fisher's six winning campaigns and six postseason appearances. But let Fisher's media cronies tell you, and you'd think Fisher is a great coach. (A nice guy who hangs around the league long enough is sure to build a following.)

Fisher (141-115) is 15th in league history in games coached. Only two coaches ahead of him on that list have worse winning percentages: Dan Reeves and Weeb Ewbank.

Ewbank led two teams to three championships, including victories in the Greatest Game Ever Played and arguably the most important Super Bowl of all-time, the Jets' upset of the Colts in 1969. He also posted an .800 winning percentage in the playoffs. Advantage Ewbank.

Reeves coached three teams, taking two to four Super Bowls. He won seven division titles, and had nine 10-win seasons and a .550 playoff winning percentage. Advantage Reeves.

First clue: zero titles
Fisher has zero championships, one Super Bowl appearance, just four division titles and a sub-.500 playoff winning percentage. Both times Fisher had a team with the best record in the AFC and home-field advantage throughout the postseason, his squad was upset in its first playoff game.

If, as it used to be, championship contention was necessary to make money in the NFL, Bud Adams would have run Fisher off years ago.

Yet Houston fans and some media desire to hire Fisher? Great coach? Please. (Need I mention Fisher's relatively branchless coaching tree?)

It doesn't make sense
In NFL history, 57 men have coached at least 150 games. Fisher is one of only three to coach all of his games with one team and not win a championship. Coincidentally, each of the other two has a .622 winning percentage, compared to Fisher's .551.

Bud Grant, who coached 259 games (to Fisher's 256 at this point), posted 11 winning seasons, 11 division championships and made four Super Bowl appearances with the Vikings.

Andy Reid has six division titles in 11 seasons (and his team leads the NFC East), with a Super Bowl appearance, five NFC title games and just two losing seasons. Until last year, his Eagles, who host the Texans next Thursday, had not lost an opening playoff game, winning seven straight.

In a way, none of this matters as Fisher, one of the highest-paid coaches in the league, would have to throw away millions to leave the Titans before his contract expires after next year. And it is quite unlikely Adams would give him permission to immediately return to where his career started and take over the Texans next year.

Only a fool - let's go with a working premise that Texans owner Bob McNair is no fool - would fire Kubiak and give up draft picks to hire Fisher. It is also safe to assume McNair isn't afflicted with coach envy. If so, he would have fired Kubiak long ago.

There are five active coaches in the NFL who have won Super Bowls. Fisher isn't one of them. There are eight other Super Bowl-winning coaches who have left the NFL in the past five seasons.

Explain to me again why McNair would want to hire a non-title-winning coach with a 16-plus-year record of being slightly above average?

Average football coaches are a dime a dozen, well actually about $5 million a year each, but which is chump change to an NFL owner.
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/a...ns-1718143.php

chiefzilla1501 12-27-2011 12:16 PM

By the way. While everyone's looking for ex coaches and coordinators, guess what Payton and McCarthy have in common? Both have tons of experience as qbs coaches. To me, that's a pretty good place to look. Obviously, that's not zorn. But there has to be someone else out there.

Dexter Manley 12-27-2011 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 8238812)
The Chiefs are Jeff Fisher


Oklahoma State is me...

FloridaMan88 12-27-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 8238812)
The Chiefs are Jeff Fisher

Let's compare...

Jeff Fisher:
5 Playoff Wins as a Head Coach (since 1994), 1 Super Bowl Appearance
Developed a franchise QB in Steve McNair

The Chiefs:
Zero Playoff Wins since 1994, Zero Super Bowl Appearances
Zero history of developing a franchise QB since Len Dawson

I'd say advantage Jeff Fisher.

DJJasonp 12-27-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8239303)
Let's compare...

Jeff Fisher:
5 Playoff Wins as a Head Coach (since 1994), 1 Super Bowl Appearance
Developed a franchise QB in Steve McNair

The Chiefs:
Zero Playoff Wins since 1994, Zero Super Bowl Appearances
Zero history of developing a franchise QB since Len Dawson

I'd say advantage Jeff Fisher.

Not so sure I call McNair a franchise QB.

In 11 years, he only had 3 with a QB rating over 90.

Never threw for more than 24 TD's in a season.

Couldnt stay healthy

And threw quite a few picks (119 in 11 years).

BigMeatballDave 12-27-2011 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8239303)
Let's compare...

Jeff Fisher:
5 Playoff Wins as a Head Coach (since 1994), 1 Super Bowl Appearance
Developed a franchise QB in Steve McNair

The Chiefs:
Zero Playoff Wins since 1994, Zero Super Bowl Appearances
Zero history of developing a franchise QB since Len Dawson

I'd say advantage Jeff Fisher.

McNair a franchise QB?

LMAO

Dumbass.


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