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UChieffyBugger 05-03-2025 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18054001)
There are reasons why Wiley was a mid round pick and this kid was undrafted.

This is just camp hero nonsense, Ricky Stanzi style.

Wiley's ceiling is TE1.

This kid's ceiling is likely TE3. And maybe not even that, because he can't block for shit. And he runs a 4.85. Yeah, no.

Briningstool broke records at Clemson and has better technical skills as a receiver imo and is a younger guy too. I ain't lost hope In Wiley but I think this new kid definitely has a shot at making some noise in camp.

UChieffyBugger 05-03-2025 02:54 PM

Anyway another WR was added to the UDFA list. San Diego WR Justin Lockhart. 24 years old and put up 900 yards and 5 TD's last season. Looks tall with decent speed so we'll see.

Chris Meck 05-03-2025 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 18054122)
Briningstool broke records at Clemson and has better technical skills as a receiver imo and is a younger guy too. I ain't lost hope In Wiley but I ghink this new kid definitely has a shot at making some noise in camp.

He's smaller and slower.

It's doubtful.

RealSNR 05-03-2025 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18053939)
You are that high on Wiley?


Well lookee who’s engaging in off-season roster battle hot takes.

BWillie 05-03-2025 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18054138)
Well lookee who’s engaging in off-season roster battle hot takes.

The early returns on Wiley weren't great even before the injury. As people who love to put practices and training camp under a microscope do.

All is not lost of course but if you redrafted nobody would draft him in the 3rd round.

Chris Meck 05-03-2025 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18054145)
The early returns on Wiley weren't great even before the injury. As people who love to put practices and training camp under a microscope do.

All is not lost of course but if you redrafted nobody would draft him in the 3rd round.

Because he didn't light it up as TE3 in Andy Reid's offense right away?

Nonsense.

there's zero reason to be down on Wiley. If he's healthy and had a year to learn the offense, he'll be light years away from a TE so slow that Bolton could cover him in man.

RealSNR 05-03-2025 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18054145)
The early returns on Wiley weren't great even before the injury. As people who love to put practices and training camp under a microscope do.

All is not lost of course but if you redrafted nobody would draft him in the 3rd round.

"The early returns"

Dude, he was a rookie TE who only played half of a season. And even then, I'm sorry, but he's going up against a rando undrafted douche.

You're doing exactly the behavior you hate in training camp threads -- where somebody's ass gets crowned too soon. Doesn't matter the reason. At least in training camp threads people crown guy's asses mostly because Chiefs media will hype them up or because we see the coaches giving them increased workload and opportunities. You? You're guilty of the tired age-old "Well he certainly can't be any WORSE than Player X!" And you're doing it with a player who's barely had any time to show he can be a contributor to the team at a deep position on the team (yes, Kelce + Gray = deep at TE) that historically hasn't been successful for rookies.

nychief 05-03-2025 04:09 PM

Am I crazy to think Czaplicki might have a shot at making the roster? Punt God was Punt Meh last season, and his touchbacks were infuriating.... at the very least, competition will do Matt good.

BWillie 05-03-2025 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18054179)
"The early returns"

Dude, he was a rookie TE who only played half of a season. And even then, I'm sorry, but he's going up against a rando undrafted douche.

You're doing exactly the behavior you hate in training camp threads -- where somebody's ass gets crowned too soon. Doesn't matter the reason. At least in training camp threads people crown guy's asses mostly because Chiefs media will hype them up or because we see the coaches giving them increased workload and opportunities. You? You're guilty of the tired age-old "Well he certainly can't be any WORSE than Player X!" And you're doing it with a player who's barely had any time to show he can be a contributor to the team at a deep position on the team (yes, Kelce + Gray = deep at TE) that historically hasn't been successful for rookies.

Hey if Chiefsplanet places so much emphasis on training camp for those who appear to perform well shouldn't that same scrutiny exist for players who struggle?

And yes I am. Proving a point that any reaction to training camp is pretty much stupid.

Chris Meck 05-03-2025 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18054197)
Hey if Chiefsplanet places so much emphasis on training camp for those who appear to perform well shouldn't that same scrutiny exist for players who struggle?

And yes I am. Proving a point that any reaction to training camp is pretty much stupid.


This kid ran a 4.85.

!

Pretty sure Norman-Lott runs a 4.85.

SLOW. SLOW. TOO ****ING SLOW to be an NFL TE.

Wiley ran a 4.6, for comparison.

This kid ain't making the 53.

This is Ricky Stanzi territory.

RealSNR 05-03-2025 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18054197)
Hey if Chiefsplanet places so much emphasis on training camp for those who appear to perform well shouldn't that same scrutiny exist for players who struggle?

And yes I am. Proving a point that any reaction to training camp is pretty much stupid.

He was a goddamn draft pick.

Bloodinmystool wasn't.

BWillie 05-03-2025 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18054213)
This kid ran a 4.85.

!

Pretty sure Norman-Lott runs a 4.85.

SLOW. SLOW. TOO ****ING SLOW to be an NFL TE.

Wiley ran a 4.6, for comparison.

This kid ain't making the 53.

This is Ricky Stanzi territory.

No he didn't. He ran a 4.75.

One of the least important metrics is the 40 meter dash anyway. Gronk ran a 4.7.

I think he has a shot at TE3. I'm not calling it but Wiley will have to battle.

RealSNR 05-03-2025 05:11 PM

40 meter dash? LMAO

Chris Meck 05-03-2025 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18054218)
No he didn't. He ran a 4.75.

One of the least important metrics is the 40 meter dash anyway. Gronk ran a 4.7.

I think he has a shot at TE3. I'm not calling it but Wiley will have to battle.

40 YARD dash, you mean?

Gronk could get away with it because he hit like a damned freight train when he blocked.

BWillie 05-03-2025 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18054240)
40 meter dash? LMAO

Yes I know it is yards. I watch alot of running for the 1500M and 400M etc.

Slipped out. Remain calm.


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