Is that '82 hiding behind that hand?

Are we going to post RBI numbers? Discuss Kendall's ability to "call a game?" The importance of the stolen base?

I was just using the obviously great statistic (.329 average) to show that DeJesus is having a great year. Other stats for the reerun who thinks he would be a 4th outfielder on a good team:

.396 OBP
22 doubles
0 errors for 200+ games

There's more to baseball than home runs.

What are you talking about?

I think most have acknowledged that he's a solid ML player, but he's someone who lacks a true position, similar to half of our current roster. His bat doesn't player in the corners, and his glove doesn't play in CF.

His value is at its highest, so I'd earnestly listen to offers. Don't give him away, but move him if you can.

His bat may not play in the corners for a boston or a new york, but on almost every team this year he is at the very least their third best outfielder.

This year. His career year--a 3rd outfielder.

Now what's that worth at the deadline and what's his relative worth to a team like the Royals that lacks a high number of even average ML players?

What about all his other years? Were they the anomaly or is this year it?

I hope they shop him and ask alot, DDJ value wont be any higher

I kind of like his value to the team for 2 years and then draft compensation when he leaves as a free agent.

I'd be curious to see how many teams have 2 outfielders with an OBP of .400+ with 50+ extra base hits. If that number is in double digits, I'd concede that he's a third outfielder on a good team.

I've got a feeling that this is more like the time that Mecca (IIRC) claimed that, in order to contend, you needed to have both of your outfielders be .300/30/100 guys. As a little digging revealed, there wasn't a single player in the league that met that criteria that year.

Has Mecca had a brain aneurysm or something from USC's future lack of post season bowls? I haven't seen him lately

Since he can play all three positions very well, that means he lacks a true position?

I don't know why people can't just appreciate the great season he's having.

Exactly. If you had 9 guys with DDJ's numbers, you'd have the best lineup in baseball by a mile.

Agreed. People are going overboard with their analysis and longing to be the next writer for Baseball Prospectus (a publication I love and have purchased for several years now BTW). Don't get me wrong, I love the educated approach to looking at the makeup of a baseball team. But....sometimes a guy is just a solid ballplayer, and you need a handful of those guys. DeJesus fits that mold.

Not to disagree with your point that we should only move him for very very good compensation but I said at the very least he is their best third outfielder. I don't want to do the legwork but I am going to assume he is statistically when you consider his defense and everything else one of the best OF's on a good number of teams and second best on a majority.

I think the discounting of DeJesus is a little overboard. DeJesus' value outside KC is much higher than it is here (weird reverse homerism going on). There are plenty of contending teams running out worse guys every day.

Does he lack home run power? Yes, he is a 10-15 HR guy. But he is a solid OBP guy, who consistently slugs in the .430 range. Guys that play elite defense at one position (LF) while playing solid, league-average defense at two others (CF and RF) don't grow on trees, either.

And as for his BABIP... yes, it is high this year. But BABIP is an area where sometimes sabermetrics need a little help from the naked eye.

One could look at just the stats and say DeJesus is simply lucky. Or one could look at the BABIP, and then compare it to the way he's playing: What type of at-bats is he taking? How well is he squaring up the ball? How well is he seeing the ball/laying off crap pitches? That non-quantifiable stuff can have an effect on things as well.

DDJ has a abnormally high BABIP. But he also is hitting the ball consistently harder than he ever has over a full season, while laying off pitches he can't drive. Think about it. How many weak groundballs has he been hitting?

Final thing to think about considering BABIP: Some of the best, most consistent hitters for average (Ichiro, Miguel Cabrera, Albert Pujols) consistently are well above the league average.

When someone is having a career year, it would make sense for a player's BABIP to be high.

I'm all for sabermetrics, but if you rely on them alone, you're making a mistake. Just like relying "just on the eye" is a mistake. Best approach is to blend both methods of evaluation.

I agree with all of this and would add that people seem to be stuck on numbers from the steroid era and don't realize that you can't compare numbers today to numbers 5 to 10 years ago.

DeJesus would be the best or second-best outfielder on a lot of teams, including:

Boston, Atlanta, Chicago, Tampa, Minnesota, New York Mets, San Diego, Texas.

He would also start for several other teams, including Detroit, Milwaukee, Los Angeles/Anaheim.

No, he can't play them all very well.

And no one has said anything about not appreciating his season. I've long called DeJesus a ****ing pussy, which he is, but have defended him as a legit ML player.

Give me an example of the type of players DeJesus would bring back in a trade.

The price should be: one A-/B+ prospect and either an unproven lower-level guy with upside or a solid guy with limited upside.

You're not going to get a top 20 prospect for him in all likelihood (so not someone as good as Moose, Hosmer, Lamb, Montgomery). You could possibly pry someone like Crow (big upside, hasn't proven much yet) or Myers (who is raking but at a lower level).

I've heard a lot of talk about Boston and a shortstop prospect named Jose Iglesias, who is a Double AA guy

Man, you are picky. The guy is a great fielder and a great hitter. Leave him alone.

What's DDJ's UZR at CF?

He's basically league average in CF (-0.1). He's slightly above average in RF (3.2). And he's elite in LF (15.3).

There are a lot of everyday centerfielders who don't hit league average in UZR. That he can play one OF slot at an elite level, one at league average, and a third at above league average ... Is pretty good.

Sometimes I wonder if DDJ snuck into Deezs' house and kicked his dog? ROFL

Mr. Hives isn't tough enough to mess with my dogs.

I like the guy, but I'm simply not going to use hyperbole to describe him. He's a nice ML player who is having a career year.

1.052 OPS

Did Kila Ka'aihue **** Dayton Moore's wife? Should this be its own thread in an attempt to smoke out Moore to explain the affair?

Of course Kila ****ed Dayton's wife. Dude hits everything.

ROFL

Outstanding.

We knew this was going to happen, right? No way would he stay healthy and allow us to trade him.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...=296291&spln=1

:banghead:

The way Betemit's swinging it...assuming Callaspo is ok, do you DH Betemit, put DeJesus in RF, Maier in CF?

What does it say? my work has blocked that site

It says Guillen is broken and day-day

No way. DeJesus has no position. He should just be the bat boy. He's so horrible.

Nobody's saying he's horrible. I like him, and would be perfectly fine and happy if we kept him. But, what people ARE saying is that he's performing as well as he'll ever perform and that we ought to sell high if the market provides that opportunity.

I understand it.

Thats good to hear, i still am irritated how he gave up on getting to 1st base when he had 3 steps to go, hop mfer!

Exactly....he can get you a solid B prospect and 2 others you do it!

Either you are joking or you have never had a quad injury.

jose guillen HAS no hop, son!

I can't say he was hustling but we don't know what the deal was. He may have felt pain coming out of the box? I am not going to slam a guy when he pulls a quad on the way to 1st. I've been there and done that and it ****ing hurts.

I have never pulled a quad, but I have strained my hip flexor before... and If it's anything like that, it completely makes you worthless.

This talk of pulled/strained muscles reminds me of the late Rod Beck. When asked why he didn't want to become more lean he said something along the lines of "Fat is good, compared to muscles. You ever heard of pulled fat?" I probably butchered the quote, but it was great stuff.

Yeah i just like giving Jose crap, if it was any other guy i probably wouldnt have made that comment

Rany has a good article on all the guys we will possibly trade. All the DDJ no being worth anything in a trade talk that was going around a couple days ago makes a lot less sense when you read the article. I forgot about the compensatory picks we get if he leaves as a FA.

Very few Royals fans are going to give Jose any benefit of the doubt because of his reputation and history. In return, Jose will get even pissier about being on the Royals. It becomes a vicious cycle.

@jazayerli A source informs me that Mike Moustakas is headed to AAA. Breaking news is not my forte, so don't take this as gospel. But that's the word. 14 minutes ago via TweetDeck

:clap:

Dominate and enjoy a Sept. cup o' coffee.

This makes me want to do whatever I have to in order to afford and execute the Royals/Chiefs doubleheader on 9/13. This is bucketlist material now.

810 was discussing his home/road splits and they were pretty a significant difference. This kind've concerns me....

Home games he hits .437 17 hr 59 rbis 1.379 ops 36 games played
Road games he hits .230 4 hr 17 rbis .739 ops 28 games played

Cold blanket alert. Cold blanket alert.

LMAO

What do you think though? Gordon was raking and minor league player of the year once. :shake:

Very, very skeptical.

The draft pick that I've liked the most during the Moore tenure is Hosmer. Loved the '08 draft.

Hated the selections of Hochevar, Moose, and Crow.

I'm fine with Colon. Myers was GREAT value.

It's cool that we're getting all this love about our prospects, but we'll be lucky to get a 50% return. This is why we'll need someone smart who will sell high.

Hmm, what's the NW Ark. park factor? I don't remember it being significant.

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Or for the TL for that matter... I haven't followed minors that closely in a few years.

Supposed to be a great hitter's park, so the stadium is in play (unfortunately).

This. After the shit with Gordon you have no choice to be skeptical as all hell. These things only happen to the Royals. I was really scared last year when we learned that Hosmer couldn't see. Looks like that has been fixed, but it had me screamin alot of mother****er last year!!!

Yep. Would have bet a lot of money that he was going to be the goods.

That is pretty typical of any farm system and draft, though. There's the famous TINSTAAPP principle, and even position players take a grain of salt. That's why you focus so heavily on loading the minor leagues, not depending on one or two players. Depth's the name of the game.

Moose has had pretty good power numbers at every level so far. This is a breakout year where he might be benefiting from the Park. Keep in mind though it is not like he is facing crap for pitching. AA ball has some of the better prospects around so he is at least hitting the ball.

Also, I'm sure he had crazy home/away splits last year that no one outside of the minor league followers talked about. People are always the next coming or busts. Usually, things are more complicated with developing kids.

That's why I'm pretty good with keeping him. If you trade him, you'd better get a couple of solid prospects PLUS the equivalent of the compensatory picks. I just don't see that happening.

In a completely unrelated note, Jake Peavy might be done for the season and will miss his scheduled start Sunday against the Royals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5360884

If you watched the game last night, Guillen pulled up lame on a double play ball he hit to short late in the game. He basically hopped to first, he looked like he hurt a quad or a groin pretty bad.

This in today's RotoWorld:

"Jose Guillen is day-to-day after leaving Tuesday's game against the Mariners with a quad injury.

Guillen pulled up lame while legging out a groundball during the eighth inning. Royals manager Ned Yost said that there was apparently no tear in his quad, but that he would be re-evaluated Wednesday."

This could really hamper his trade value. And, they may DL him and bring up somebody like Kila or Gordon.

We'll see what happens. Surprised there hasn't been anything on this on the KC Star to Royals website.

Did they mention periphery stats at all?

Moustakas has been a little lucky at home and a little unlucky on the road. He has a strong (20 percent) line drive factor (typically, hitters bat 120 points above their LDP with normalized luck) and an abnormally low BABIP (.264). Conversely, his BABIP at NW Arkansas is abnormally high (.416).

He also has shaved his strikeout ratio considerably, and his BB:K is pretty solid for a power hitter (25:41). He's on pace for 50-55 BBs and 90Ks. By comparison, he year he was at AA, even with the ridiculous numbers put up, Gordon still Kd 113 times (in 576 ABs).

And as for the park factor... NWA is not the best hitter's park in the Texas League, but it isn't the worst. The Texas League is the best hitter's league, park wise, in minor league baseball, so park factor in that league really shouldn't factor much into a NWA player's home-road splits.

Royals_Report

#Royals calling Jose Guillen's injury a grade-one strain to the left quadriceps/hip flexor. Say he could play Friday after open date.

I think they had boddicker as a guest on the border patrol, he said it concerned him a bit but other than that they didnt say much. SSJ still believes in gordon

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2010/...decisions.html

regarding the trade deadline

I've seen a lot of people dip into home/road splits for Moustakas, but none I have heard have mentioned or talked about the the stuff I brought up; mainly, that he has been unlucky on the road, lucky at home, and plays in home ballpark that is neutral for its league.

You start looking at sabermetrics, you have to look at ALL of them, in my opinion.

BABIP and LDP are important and tied together (guys with higher LDPs have higher BABIP, surprise!) Home-road splits and park factors are important, too.

When a guy plays in a ballpark that is neutral for his league and has such drastic home-road splits, he's either: 1) REally unlucky away from home; 2) Really struggling with the style of travel minor leaguers deal with.

Looks like No. 1 to me...

@Greg_Schaum Not trying to steal anyones thunder as I did not break any of this but u asked, Merrifeld and Chapman signed, Moose 2 AAA next week #Royals less than a minute ago via web

Was about to post this but i was too busy chomping on my apple jacks

If they named it "Apple Jacks" then shouldn't it taste like real apples?

@brokenbatsingle Kendall is a type B! RT @mlbtraderumors Elias Rankings Update http://bit.ly/azcrqQ half a minute ago via web

LMAO

It's like apples laced with crack, kind've like the crack fries from OK Joes

WOW

take it in a heartbeat

Aaron Crow threw 7 shutout innings for the Naturals last night, giving up 4 hits and 1 walk. He had 2 strikeouts.

Clint Robinson continued his tear with another home run, his 16th.

Kila was 2-3 with his 17th home run of the season.

Moose did not play.

Christian Colon went 2-6 batting 2nd for the Blue Rocks.

Good to see Crow putting a decent outing together. Wish he could get a few more strikeouts though...letting it get in play all the time is a recipe for trouble.

Letting your D do the work is never bad, you got 9 players out there use em, keep them in the game, like greg maddux

Might want to check out his SO numbers.