Pioli/Romeo

Now I squashed that point. Anything else?

Nope. You have just compared the likes of Andy Reid and Dorsey to these guys.

All is lost for you... well done.

Nope. Your argument was paid pros never get it wrong. Nice try though, Sandel.

Everyone makes mistakes, especially the Chiefs.

If the goal was to turn the ship around and become a team that could win in the regular season, enough to the point that you had a shot in the playoffs, then the mission has been successful.
If the Chiefs have aspirations beyond that, it's time to part ways with Smith.

I like you though, Cheeks; you're a good kid who got caught up in the wrong crowd.
Stick around with Uncle Cat and myself for a while, and we'll eventually get you sorted.:D

Shot at Smith

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Uh oh. Cant have both guys on the team now. Time to kiss ASS goodbye.

I'll side with Marcus

Damn straight.

Reminds me of that old Sesame Street song:

"One of these guys is su-per tal-en-ted,
one of these guys just sucks-a-butt"!

You 'member that one, right? :)

LMAO

I think so. Is there a video of Ass over throwing a target by 10 feet at in event in one of the 4 corners of the screen?

If the goal is to win a SB then yes you dump Smith yesterday. If the goal is to win a few games make noise and make a few fans happy with Meaningless stats then Smith is your man...

... does he not realize who quarterbacks his own team?

i do believe he is aware. which makes this comment even more important :D

Surely the D is aware of how heroic they need to be every game to compensate for the lack of a productive offense. When you don't concede a TD in a home playoff game you should win period.

Correct.

Send him to Pile High. He would start there.

Nope, Semen is better than Smith. Smith is that bad.

I would love that, but even Elway is not that dumb.

Gonna be dumped/kicked to the curb for a slightly older Romolicious milf

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finished Alex Smith&#39;s season today. Best comparison I have for him is Rajon Rondo. Extremely selfish decision maker.</p>&mdash; Cian Fahey (@Cianaf) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/829076549106356224">February 7, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I wonder what specifically he's referencing there.

Like how taking sacks that knocks his team out of field goal range instead of throwing an interception/incomplete keeps his passer rating and completion percentage higher, but costs the team points when the margin for error with his style of play is very slim...or is he talking about something completely different.

Keeping Smith is just plain old stupid. Another season with him is a total waste.

Rondo is known to give up wide open looks because he knows hes a terrible shooter or just likes to pad his other stats

hes trying to apply that to Smith, who will completely ignore windows he thinks are too tight and thus will settle for something low risk or take a sack to keep his completion percentage in tact.

Basically a product of too much over thinking. They say Rondo is one of the smartest basketball minds but overthinks everything. Same could be said about Smith.

Smith a smart football mind? ROFL

He's just scared.

Confusing safe for smart.

A smart QB doesn't throw an incompletion on 3rd down in the redzone....and then take a ****ing timeout on 4th down.

Hold on a second. Are you serious with this question? I cant believe you are. You are seriously asking if the design of the play called for:

a) Alex to wait over 2.5 seconds in the pocket before he moved right?

and

b) The two receivers on the right side of the field were supposed to run routes were to break back towards the left, the opposite direction of where Smith was supposed to roll?

It is just so funny how Alex fans continue to make excuses for the guy, even if the excuse makes absolutely zero sense like the above one. SMFH.

Gigabytes

Smith has gigabytes...protected by Norton anti-virus. Everything is really safe and runs stupidly slow.

Thanks Alex.

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they love Cian on Le Batard - he has a quote they love to play about Alex Smith ... Cian says Alex Smith is the guy who can see a guy wide open in the end zone and run out of bounds because they are in field goal range.

you know who Cian loves? Tony Romo. Says Romo is the best pocket QB in the NFL. Best at making plays and extending plays in the pocket.

He's also the reason why our TE only had 4 ****ing TDs this year.

That's an off year for Smith. When he's focused he can go an entire season without throwing a TD to any of his WRs.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don&#39;t mistake not getting the ball with not getting open. Maclin gets corners turned wrong consistently. Ppl don&#39;t notice without the throw. <a href="https://t.co/xBK0eB9hgL">pic.twitter.com/xBK0eB9hgL</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/832622785599926274">February 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I take a lot of that with a grain of salt. You could probably do things like that for every team and every QB and find instances where even Tom and Aaron miss guys like that.

That's not to say Alex doesn't miss more open guys than most - because, surely, he does.

:rolleyes:

Eh, that 2nd clip wasn't 'open'.

That was a half step of separation on an underneath zone where the reward wouldn't have justified the risk. That LB was dropping right into the zone there and without an absolutely perfect throw it could've easily been picked.

The first one it's hard to say, especially when the clip is acknowledging that the safety is shading towards Maclin there. I don't think it's at all an accident that he just happened to cut the S out of the screen. "The window is there....trust me" - why? Just show me the whole play.

This is a conversation you have to have with Discuss about once a month - bad arguments do a disservice to your good ones. There are good arguments against retaining Alex Smith but trying to point to that second clip as evidence that Smith is some cowardly jackass is just stupid. There are more reasons not to make that throw than there are reasons to make it.

No shit. Just keep posting the Tyreek Hill missed read over and over again - that's a better point, anyways. No QB at any level misses that read.

Smith is such a bum. How can they screw up so bad and bring him back for another year.

Just texted this to my entire family and a few co-workers ROFL

Bullshit cartoon; Smith's wife isn't wearing silver and black.

So what was the turning point that made everyone hate Alex Smith, and why did it take so long? The Pittsburgh playoff loss? It took you guys that long? The Smithers I mean.

Which is pretty comical.

But give it time; when the KC Star starts rolling out the training camp puff pieces most of those who are supposedly off the Smith bandwagon now will be back on-board and saying the Chiefs are a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

I can see Tiger posting tweets from Terez


"Doubt Smith all you want " look at this

@TerezPaylor: Smith connects with Hill for a 53 YD TD pass, Smith drops it between two defenders. #money

Point is it's a yuge disservice to hand wave Smith missing plays because Rodgers or Romo or whomever make the same misses.

Just because I routinely two putt doesn't make me a good golfer by comparison to a near scratch guy because even those guys two putt sometimes.

No.

Rodgers misses wide the **** open guys, sure. Romo even more so. But they've also made plays that you can't expect an "average" QB to make.

Smith rarely makes plays with his arm that exceed what an average QB is capable of but brings in a lot more misses like the ones that have incensed the masses in the playoff game.

What does any of that have to do with either of those clips? The second shouldn't have been thrown by Smith, Rodgers, Brady or anyone else. The 'window', to whatever extent there may be one, will close the instant he so much as cocks his arm as he has at least 2 guys in short zones that can collapse into that space.

And the first one gif is cropped in a manner that sure as hell looks to be hiding something and openly acknowledges same when it admits there's a safety shading over.

Again - those are bad demonstrations of whatever point you may be trying to make.

I'm talking in general and not to whatever GoChiefs recently posted.

It's not like it's been some recent revelation that Smith doesn't take shots downfield unless it's his first read or circumstances arose where a receiver was enormously wide open.

Not only that, but it was said on the 1st one it was the deep pass to Kelce that hit Kelce between the 8 and 7 and he just dropped it - huge drop - and then a play later got a ridiculous penalty to totally kill our entire drive.

...yeah, on second read, I don't even get it

Are they saying Maclin was more open? I mean, even if, he delivered the ball to Kelce and Kelce dropped it - game changing moment. That's on Smith for missing a different open guy because maybe Maclin doesn't drop it?

Just, what?

And now the next time Keysor is trying to make an 'evenhanded review' of Smith's game, stuff like this has to be in the back of your mind.

Because criticizing Smith for either of those plays is nothing more than ax grinding.

If your argument isn't helping your case, it's actively hurting it. Make it strong or don't make it at all.

You can say the same for pointing out Kelce's drop in the Pittsburgh game -or any receiver dropping a singular pass- as having an ax to grind too. Notice that's always high on the list for the 9er apologists reasons: it's always the receiver's fault.

You can't say "Well, Rodgers misses open guys too" and then immediately blast a receiver for a specific dropped pass because of the double standard given no receiver is 100% perfect in 100% of games.

Now if Maclin or Kelce goes complete butterfingers in a game then absolutely they deserve specific blame.

There's a huge difference in dynamics between the two 'errors.' If a QB misses a 'more open' receiver he makes a mistake in evaluation of several variables.
If a WR misses a catchable ball, there's no calculus going on regarding whether or not he should catch it [as opposed to dropping it being the better play]. And there's no ambiguity with the ball delivered as to whether maybe the ball is going elsewhere.

Says the man with Alex Smith Forever!! In red in his sig.

ROFL

Keysor isnt an anti-Smith guy though. Time and time again he has shown to be neutral on the subject.

LMAO

That's gold

I read that garbage article on AP of that Seth dude MNChiefswhatever big long defense of Maclin and trying to make Smith look bad with his terrible twitter video clips.

I'm not exactly a homer in support of Alex but that article was the biggest garbage joke of journalism I have ever seen, and it actually upsets me that I cheer for a team with fans like that allowed to write articles on a Chiefs blog sponsored by a big company. His argument couldn't have been more terrible and the clips he used showed his complete lack of actual football knowledge and displayed his entire slant and agenda for trying to blame the QB, which yes is sometimes the case, but not for the case he was trying to make.

I'm of the camp that the Alex Smith gets the blame for everything has shifted to a far extreme and he's the easy scapegoat for any little negative you want to pluck out of a 12-4 team with a home field playoff loss. I guess rightfully so, but it's still a weak argument now. For me to hop on the blame Alex bandwagon again he would have to fully regress in 2017 to point where the FO takes the blame for holding onto him too long and the fans look right. But the fans aren't always right and I don't think they will be right here, either.

It's meant as joke. It's time or a change.

Werent you saying just a week or so ago that you'd take Foles 8 days a week at this point over Smiff?

How many days until the draft...

I was definitely of the camp of veteran QB + rookie QB of any combo over Smith yes. So if it was Foles/Mahomes or any combination. Mainly because it would have also given cap relief. 17 million is still 17 million too much for 15 touchdown passes and 3,000 yards no matter how you slice it.

Cool story. Many teams are paying 23+ million for far less wins
Smith's cap hit for 2017 ranks as only the 18th highest.

While his touchdown production is last among starters, what a deal!

PBJ

Too bad Alex isn't the reason for all of those wins. How many fourth quarter come from behind wins does he have? How many times does he bring them back from being down multiple scores? If Alex doesn't get an early lead or help with defensive and special team scores then he is as useless as tits on a bull.

He's the only quarterback that I've ever seen that is afraid to throw a hail mary pass because it might get intercepted!

Got to keep that QBR up, bro.

What a waste of a 1200+ post thread.

Every team should move on from a QB that does not have a franchise,elite QB.

That means what that 20-ish teams are training one or should be 'moving on' from their QB.

Brady
Rodger
Rapefacer
Brees
Wilson
Stafford
Rivers
Ryan
Manning

I realize even a few on this list are debatable, but the franchise that they are on believe they are a franchise type QB. Some on this list are aging and even these teams should be looking for a guy to develop.

It's not a question about 'Should the Chiefs be moving on" but rather how they should be moving on. Same goes for many other NFL teams.


I guess it's the offseason so people needs someplace to take a verbal shit.

He doesn't get all the credit but his winning record for 6 straight seasons in the National Football League playing the most important position is enough reason for you to accept that he's the guy in 2017 and possibly 2018.

Don't like it? Stop watching.

Chiefs fans, settling for regular season victories since, well forever. Keep the streak alive.

Almost every multiple score comeback is aided by other parts of the team. You need the defense to get stops and probably a turnover. The Patriots were really helped by getting a timely turnover in the SB. All that said, Smith isn't the QB you want to bring a team back, and I'm not sure he's the best option going forward. But he's been a large part of the team's success.

That doesn't upset me at all, good on him.

The more blame Alex gets the better, right or wrong. I don't care.

The sooner the Chiefs flush Smith, the sooner we can get on with playing legitimate offense, god willing.

**** Alex Smith.

You can't...


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Smith will not be here in 2018. If he is, it's to groom a QBOTF.

I refuse to believe Dorsey and Reid are that stupid. I know Dorsey isn't.
They are looking for his replacement.
Of that I am.certain.

And would you **** off with the "don't watch"

We are Chiefs fans
We are going to watch.

Every pain painful drop back of nutless QBing.

He does a great job of not being bad enough to catch the blame.
But he's actually regressing in that regard.