I'm reasonably certain most everyone realizes this. :D

100%

Anything else is a waste of a McNugget

Skill based on what, exactly? Nonsense. They're projecting based on past production. Otherwise, we have a #1 pick and two#2's, so obviously, there's talent there, it's just not established. So they're ranking based on past production. There's nothing else to go on if not in the meeting rooms and at practice every day.

I admit and have all along that it's uncomfortable having so many questions. I just think it's absolutely the right path. Just like they did with corners last year.

We should absolutely sign this guy unless we don’t

Spicy Buffalo. So I can wipe all the Buffalo off my ass later as it ends up being shit. Like the Bills.

They went that way last year and it underperformed

It happens. Nothing is perfect

I kinda thought that maybe it wouldn't be horrible if we signed him to a one year $5 mil deal, but then decided that I wouldn't really even want him for the vet minimum. We have too many young guys that I'd rather see playing instead of steroid boy.

With the trio of Mahomes, Kelce and Reid we are pretty much good for an AFCCG appearance. Adding Hopkins doesn't do anything to increase that floor, but what it could do is keep guys off the field that we need to have a good look at. Say Kelce starts to drop off this year. What I want to know is if Toney, Moore, Rice, or even James can come close to providing what Kelce gets us year after year and I want to find that out before we have to replace him. I'm sure that Reid and Veach want to know just how good the young guys are, so if God forbid Kelce takes a small step back, then they will have some kind of an idea if we need to go out and make a big move to replace his production or if we have most of it covered.

Hopkins doesn't have much left in the tank and isn't going to be able to come close to replacing Kelce's production for 1 season let alone 3-4 more seasons.

No to Hopkins from me! Even for free!

Doesn't do anything to increase the floor? Nothing personal but your eye for WR players who can ball out at anytime with any QB is not good at all. DHop is a very very unique talent with thee best hands I have ever seen and able to contort his body for the most difficult catches made in traffic that I have ever seen including OBJ. He has plenty of gas in the tank when you look at the lack of contact these past few years playing with Crybaby Kyle who didn't know how use him. Just saying!

The WR room underperformed last year? If that's what you are saying, then how?

The Bengals have the best group of WRs and thus is how they stacked up.

#1 Chase 1046
#2 Boyd 1049
#3 Higgins 762
#7 Irwin 231
#9 Taylor 62
#11 Thomas 38

So those are there WRs only, but in my comparison I'm going to use Kelce because he is used just like a WR and he gets by far the most balls thrown his way, so I just can't not count him

#1 Kelce 1338
#2 JJSS 933
#3 MVS 687
#5 Watson 315
#7 Hardman 297
#8 Moore 250
#9 Toney 171

We got more out of our group, then they did.

Plus we won the Super ****ing Bowl.

Wanna bet he either doesn't play more than 11 games or doesn't go over 700 yds. He's going to take that Julio Jones drop this year.

Well its past production and opinion for the future. It's the off season and its what pundits and people on Chief Planet do.

I'm not sure draft position is proof of talent or future production... Toney has health concerns and other WRs certainly have potential but certainly also remain to be proven.

But I noticed you didn't take up my challenge. So I think a lot comes down to Toney's health and I'll be pleasantly surprised to see him play more than 12 or 13 games.

But would a Geno or Goff (with Toney playing 13 games) on an average team get this WR group in the top half?

Maybe?

You can afford several high profile receivers or draft higher when you have a Goff or Geno. This is what our situation is and I find it really hard to believe people can't understand it. We pay Mahomes a shit ton of money, so we have to make some positions work for cheaper than we'd like. It's not rocket science, bud.

Chiefs have the least salary cap space of any team per source.

I didn't take up your 'challenge' because it's the same nonsense that's ranking the WR room at #19.

I'm absolutely certain that the organization disagrees with that, and I trust Veach, Andy, and Patrick. To me, they've proven they know what they're doing.

Juju is a pro, but not special. Hardman never developed beyond a gadget player. I see zero reason why the room won't be better than last season, barring injury issues, and we're deeper if that happens.

By November, this WR group will be the talk of the league, I bet.

I'm excited to see the next stars blossom.

I buy Chic-fil-a sauce in the bottle and dip my nuggets in that too.