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The Bad Guy 07-28-2011 01:03 AM

I'll never understand why just about every team in MLB continues to trade for Edwin Jackson.

VAChief 07-28-2011 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7779846)
Question for Cardinals fans:

He's clearly got the bat, but how is Rasmus' defense in CF? Defensive metrics haven't really liked him since his rookie year, but does that mean anything at all? I doubt I've seen him play more than 10-20 times in his career, so it's hard for me to judge this.

He has Ozzie Smith like ability, but his focus and effort produce results more consistent with Theriot.

Frazod 07-28-2011 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 7780238)
He has Ozzie Smith like ability, but his focus and effort produce results more consistent with Theriot.

It will be interesting (and, I'm afraid ultimately very annoying) to see how he does now that he's free from the clutches of LaRussa and McGwire.

Obviously a horrible trade, I'm just hoping it doesn't end up to be Mulder/Haren bad.

DJ's left nut 07-28-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7780394)
It will be interesting (and, I'm afraid ultimately very annoying) to see how he does now that he's free from the clutches of LaRussa and McGwire.

Obviously a horrible trade, I'm just hoping it doesn't end up to be Mulder/Haren bad.

I hope it's worse.

I hope the kid's a 30/30 player as soon as next season. I hope this is the straw that finally gets this pathetic farce of a manager out of town.

Jocketty was the reason those early aughts teams won anything, LaRussa's the reason they didn't win more and he and his stooge Moe are the reason they aren't going to win much of anything else for a very long time.

This team is about the 8th best team in the NL (Philly, ATL, SF, AZ, Col., Mil, Cincy) and we just traded our best long-term asset in a win-now move, and brought back exactly nothing that will help us next season. We turned down legitimate long-term prospects from TB and got less for Rasmus than the Mets got for Beltran because we insisted on a schmuck like Edwin Jackson.

Still unbelievable.

On the plus side, I watched a couple episodes of Top Gear, knocked out a training camp in Madden and got through 2 chapters of Dance with Dragons while you fellas were watching that abortion.

Guess who had the better evening?

Frazod 07-28-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7780418)
I hope it's worse.

I hope the kid's a 30/30 player as soon as next season. I hope this is the straw that finally gets this pathetic farce of a manager out of town.

Jocketty was the reason those early aughts teams won anything, LaRussa's the reason they didn't win more and he and his stooge Moe are the reason they aren't going to win much of anything else for a very long time.

This team is about the 8th best team in the NL (Philly, ATL, SF, AZ, Col., Mil, Cincy) and we just traded our best long-term asset in a win-now move, and brought back exactly nothing that will help us next season. We turned down legitimate long-term prospects from TB and got less for Rasmus than the Mets got for Beltran because we insisted on a schmuck like Edwin Jackson.

Still unbelievable.

On the plus side, I watched a couple episodes of Top Gear, knocked out a training camp in Madden and got through 2 chapters of Dance with Dragons while you fellas were watching that abortion.

Guess who had the better evening?

Personally I was playing Fallout New Vegas.

I haven't watched many games this year, primarily because I seem to be a kiss of death for them. Of the games I've watched, I think they've won two and lost twelve. Usually all I have to do is switch the channel and they start hemmorhaging runs.

I figure they've got enough problems with Darth LaRussa calling the shots that they don't need my bad luck on top of it.

Miles 07-28-2011 12:19 PM

Some mild rumors of Furcal. He is having a rough year but becomes a FA after the season. Assuming that he costs just a fringe prospect he is interesting.

Rams Fan 07-28-2011 01:10 PM

It appears the Cardinals aren't going after Bell anymore, but they are looking for MI help.

KC_Connection 07-28-2011 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7779855)
****ing sporadic.

One day he looks like Willie ****ing Mays, the next he's loafing/misplaying routine fly balls, letting balls that have no business getting to the wall past him, etc.

Can't remember exactly how it went down, but he was booed for his effort on a play during the last game I went to - 7/9 v. Arizona. You gotta **** up badly, or somewhat regularly for the fans in STL to boo you.

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan
His defense hasn't quite lived up to his billing, IMO.

He makes some blunders, but at other times he can make really great plays.

Thanks, I figured it was something like that. I'd seen him make some great plays before, but I didn't know about the other stuff. Sounds like he has all the tools to be a star, but the mental side of the game isn't quite there yet. Perhaps he'll be better in that area now that he's getting away from the crazy TLR.

VAChief 07-28-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles (Post 7780911)
Some mild rumors of Furcal. but becomes a FA after the season. .

Then I think we can say based on past experience it's a done deal!

VAChief 07-28-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7781223)
Thanks, I figured it was something like that. I'd seen him make some great plays before, but I didn't know about the other stuff. Sounds like he has all the tools to be a star, but the mental side of the game isn't quite there yet. Perhaps he'll be better in that area now that he's getting away from the crazy TLR.

They got him with very little risk, but I wouldn't count too heavily on him reaching beyond his current levels. He fell into a funk this year after a strong start and was run out there quite regularly to the detriment of the middle of our order. His ability to adjust on his own and that will be a big if, will be the key to whether he reaches his potential or starts down the Corey Patterson path to "what could have been."

Rams Fan 07-28-2011 03:25 PM

I get to see Correy Patterson make his Cardinal debut tonight!

KC_Connection 07-28-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 7781661)
They got him with very little risk, but I wouldn't count too heavily on him reaching beyond his current levels. He fell into a funk this year after a strong start and was run out there quite regularly to the detriment of the middle of our order. His ability to adjust on his own and that will be a big if, will be the key to whether he reaches his potential or starts down the Corey Patterson path to "what could have been."

He's still only 24 and moving to a great hitters' park. I'd be very surprised if his numbers don't improve with the Jays.

0 for 5 start tonight, though. I see Rzep was his regular self.

Rams Fan 07-28-2011 10:16 PM

Went to the game. Scrabble looks like he has a bright future, whether it be starting or in the bullpen.

Miles 07-29-2011 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 7781124)
It appears the Cardinals aren't going after Bell anymore, but they are looking for MI help.

Good to hear since the latest was SD was looking for three players for Bell. Anything that gets the ****ing Riot out of the daily lineup works unless the Cards continue to pay out the ass for help this season.

salame 07-29-2011 01:23 AM

**** the cardinals


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