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Thig Lyfe 11-10-2010 05:50 PM

DeJesus traded to A's for Mazzaro and Marks.

Source: Internet

BigCatDaddy 11-10-2010 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 7163482)
DeJesus traded to A's for Mazzaro and Marks.

Source: Internet

http://www.wibw.com/sports/headlines...107079789.html

petegz28 11-10-2010 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 7163482)
DeJesus traded to A's for Mazzaro and Marks.

Source: Internet

****ing figures. Trade away our best player for ?????

alnorth 11-10-2010 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 7163546)
****ing figures. Trade away our best player for ?????

no one on this crap-pile of a team aside from Soria, Butler, or Greinke should be overly protected, provided we get the right players in return.

Looking up stats now to figure out my opinion on this, I literally learned of this moments ago.

alnorth 11-10-2010 06:19 PM

rotoworld's flash opinion, they didn't seem to immediately declare a winner or loser, for what its worth.

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As expected, the A's have dumped some of their starting pitching surplus in an effort to bolster what was a weak-hitting lineup in 2010. DeJesus turned in a solid .318/.384/.443 batting line with 23 doubles and five homers in just 352 at-bats for the Royals this year. He's one of the more underrated outfielders in baseball, both defensively and at the plate.

KevB 11-10-2010 06:43 PM

From everything I'm reading, seems like a decent trade. Mazzaro is still young and developing, and has had some success. Profiles to be a solid #3 starter at best, but I'll take that. I haven't read anything on Marks, but while his ERA and WHIP are marginal, he's striking out more than a batter an inning as a lefty and is also still young.

In addition, they outrighted Banny to AAA, and he chose to become a free agent. We all liked Banny, but he just doesn't quite have the talent to be a MLB pitcher I'm afraid.

DeezNutz 11-10-2010 06:53 PM

On the surface, it seems like a promising trade, but winning a horse trade with Beane is a tall order.

alnorth 11-10-2010 06:53 PM

Vin Mazarro, RHP, 3rd round 2005

2006 - A - who cares
2007 - A+ - 5.33 ERA, 1.497 WHIP, 6.7 K/9, 1.62 K/BB, 0.8 HR/9
2008 - AA and AAA - 2.74 ERA, 1.222 WHIP, 6.9 K/9, 2.91 K/BB, 0.3 HR/9
2009 - AAA - 2.38 ERA, 1.041 WHIP, 7 K/9, 2.59 K/BB, 0.3 HR/9

minors: started out crappy, improved to a decent minor league pitcher. Didn't give up many home runs, strikeout ratios are pretty good.

2009 - OAK - 5.32 ERA, 1.741 WHIP, 5.8 K/9, 1.51 K/BB, 1.2 HR/9
2010 - OAK - 4.27 ERA, 1.447 WHIP, 5.8 K/9, 1.58 K/BB, 1.4 HR/9

uhhh.... wow. Not good. He's young and may have talent, but he certainly hasn't made the last adjustment from AAA at all. Not yet, anyway. If he figures it out in KC with a change of scenery that would be wonderful. Hopefully this guy was a throw-in and the 2nd pitcher was the guy we coveted. That 2nd guy is...

Justin Marks, LHP (another one? Holy christ, don't we already have enough lefties?), 3rd round 2009

2009 - Rookie - who cares, one game in rookie ball
2010 - A and A+ - 4.87 ERA, 1.353 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 2.78 K/BB, 1 HR/9

Struck out a ton of batters in his first year as a pro, gave up an average number of homers, doesn't walk many people, but he got hit a bit. Only 19 games worth of stats, so these are of limited use. They certainly don't say "A-class prospect" to me. Guy like this, you need a scouting report. OK, I read a few, Marks was not on anyone's top-10 list of oakland prospects, seemed more in the 20-range. Keith Law was not high on him earlier this year.

Overall, dude seems like a C-grade prospect.

We traded one season of David DeJesus (free agent next year) for a B-grade pitching prospect who might or might not help us starting this year, and a C-grade prospect who aside from being yet ANOTHER lefty, may or may not ever reach KC.

I mean yeah, its only one year and on paper you'd think maybe it was a fair deal, but I'm not thrilled with this deal. Maybe we could have signed him for one or two more years, and if we cant, I'd hope we'd get more than this on a deadline trade for a team trying to make the playoffs.

We have the potential to win this trade, perhaps, but unless we know something about his health that no one else doesn't, or unless we think he's going to turn into a pile of crap in 2011 and ruin his trade value, I'm not happy. I'm not enraged either, but I'm not happy.

DeezNutz 11-10-2010 06:54 PM

Seems like a promising move, but winning a horse trade with Beane is a tall order.

sedated 11-10-2010 07:03 PM

I may be one of the few DDJ fans, but I thought we could have locked him up fairly cheap.

alnorth 11-10-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 7163626)
I may be one of the few DDJ fans, but I thought we could have locked him up fairly cheap.

I like DDJ too. I do like the royals more and will trade anybody to improve the team, but I think I would have said no to this deal and held out for more, unless I really believed he was going to get hurt or tank in 2011.

alnorth 11-10-2010 07:12 PM

Royals Corner is underwhelmed. Even the glass-half-full guys (like me) who believe DM has done some good things with the minors is scratching their heads on this one. Yes, I expect the casual fan on the street to scream just because DDJ is gone, but screw them, they will buy tickets and forget about DDJ if its a good deal and we win, but is it a good deal? I'm having a hard time saying yes or finding many people who think we should have done this.

DeezNutz 11-10-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7163633)
I like DDJ too. I do like the royals more and will trade anybody to improve the team, but I think I would have said no to this deal and held out for more, unless I really believed he was going to get hurt or tank in 2011.

Would have liked to have known what the return would have been mid-season of this year, before the injury.

Reaper16 11-10-2010 07:43 PM

Is the return greater than the two draft picks the organization would have received from a Type A DDJ leaving in free agency in 2011? I have my doubts.

Also, you just know that this trade is a precursor to Dayton signing his anus-crush, Jeff Francouer.

alnorth 11-10-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7163704)
Also, you just know that this trade is a precursor to Dayton signing his anus-crush, Jeff Francouer.

I keep hearing that, but I refuse to believe it until it happens. Francouer is a replacement-level outfielder. His only role on this team would be as a warm body to keep RF occupied at the ML minimum until 2012. If we did sign him for multiple years and a lot of money, I will hurl myself out of my den window onto the hard driveway 15 feet below in an effort to dull the pain.


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