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Chiefnj2 01-28-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
Oh, well, thank God... those poor people can't be trusted to think for themselves and use those foods in moderation... If government weren't here to save us from ourselves, what would we ever do...

Might as well ban the use the peanut oil since some people are highly allergic to it.

Adept Havelock 01-28-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
As mentioned, this has already passed in NYC.

Are you actually arguing that this ban is a bad thing? Banning an known, artery-clogging fat when non artery-clogging fats are available?

Yes, I am. I am fully capable of deciding for myself if I want to eat something bad for me or not. I am equally capable of deciding if I want to patronize a restaurant that uses these fats as opposed to the others.

Apparently, you never developed that ability. I pity you.

It must be horrible to live in such fear that you come to believe the Government has to save you from yourself.

Don't kid yourself, that's exactly the mind-set you're selling.

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Originally Posted by Cochise
Oh, well, thank God... those poor people can't be trusted to think for themselves and use those foods in moderation... If government weren't here to save us from ourselves, what would we ever do...

And that's what guys like Dane will never understand. :shake:

Eleazar 01-28-2008 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock
Yes, I am. I am fully capable of deciding for myself if I want to eat something bad for me or not. I am equally capable of deciding if I want to patronize a restaurant that uses these fats as opposed to the others.

Apparently, you never developed that ability. I pity you.

It must be horrible to live in such fear that you come to believe the Government has to save you from yourself.

Don't kid yourself, that's exactly the mind-set you're selling.

So you think people should just be able to eat whatever they want?

Nightfyre 01-28-2008 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
As mentioned, this has already passed in NYC.

Are you actually arguing that this ban is a bad thing? Banning an known, artery-clogging fat when non artery-clogging fats are available?

I need the gubment to protect me! WAH.

What about my preference as a consumer. Maybe I like trans fat. Who are you to impose that on me? The free market speaks volumes. If you don't like trans-fats so much, then don't go to restaurants who use them. Fact is, people don't care enough to investigate and limit their patronage. Why should they care enough to ban it?

Nightfyre 01-28-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
So you think people should just be able to eat whatever they want?

Whoa whoa whoa. Take a step back there. The government tells me what I can and cannot eat!

Chiefnj2 01-28-2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI
Well, the statistics point out that ethnicity, residence, education, and income level also impact smoking rates so I think Beverly Hills would be one of the places in the world where smoking would almost non-existent save for outsiders.

In Beverly Hills smoking has been replaced by elective surgery. But those risks are acceptable.

DaneMcCloud 01-28-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock
Yes, I am. I am fully capable of deciding for myself if I want to eat something bad for me or not. I am equally capable of deciding if I want to patronize a restaurant that uses these fats as opposed to the others.

Apparently, you never developed that ability. I pity you.

It must be horrible to live in such fear that you come to believe the Government has to save you from yourself.

Don't kid yourself, that's exactly the mind-set you're selling.

Um, no, it's not.

Again, you clearly can not differentiate the between violating personal liberties and public health issues.

If you think that the government became involved with the issue of regulating that use of Transfat be discontinued in favor of another cooking oil without the negative side-effects, you're just another conspiracy theorist who thinks that everyone is out to get them.

ClevelandBronco 01-28-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre
Whoa whoa whoa. Take a step back there. The government tells me what I can and cannot eat!

Can I tell Dane what he can eat?

Adept Havelock 01-28-2008 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Um, no, it's not.

Again, you clearly can not differentiate the between violating personal liberties and public health issues.

Sure I can. It seems to me you're the one who wants to toss out personal liberties to make folks act in a manner you prefer. I'd rather give them the choice, just like with smoking.
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
If you think that the government became involved with the issue of regulating that use of Transfat be discontinued in favor of another cooking oil without the negative side-effects, you're just another conspiracy theorist who thinks that everyone is out to get them.

I really doubt you could misrepresent my position any more if you tried, but the evening is still young. :shrug:

BTW- For tinfoil hats, check with TJ...he's the conspiracy theorist. I'm just a guy who doesn't think it's the governments job to act as Nanny to the nation.

At least you're not denying your selling a "government should save us from ourselves" mindset. That's sad IMO, but at least it's intellectually honest.

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Originally Posted by Cochise
So you think people should just be able to eat whatever they want?


Call me crazy. LMAO

I just figure the more decisions like this you make for people, the less able they are to make tougher decisions when the time comes. Then again, I know there is a sizable chunk of the population that prefers being treated like Veal.


edit- I probably would have a few issues if "Long Pig" turned up in my butcher's market, and I don't think the last of a species should be sacrificed so a bunch of Eurotrash and guys like Dane can have a $1,000,000 a plate dinner. :p

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DaneMcCloud 01-28-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre
I need the gubment to protect me! WAH.

What about my preference as a consumer. Maybe I like trans fat. Who are you to impose that on me? The free market speaks volumes. If you don't like trans-fats so much, then don't go to restaurants who use them. Fact is, people don't care enough to investigate and limit their patronage. Why should they care enough to ban it?

The inevitable health care costs associated with people who ate foods with Transfat will go directly back to the government and the people who pay for the government (i.e., more taxes and the American people).

Can you honestly tell me if there's any difference in taste between food that used Transfat as opposed to the same exact food that doesn't use Transfat?

Nightfyre 01-28-2008 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Um, no, it's not.

Again, you clearly can not differentiate the between violating personal liberties and public health issues.

If you think that the government became involved with the issue of regulating that use of Transfat be discontinued in favor of another cooking oil without the negative side-effects, you're just another conspiracy theorist who thinks that everyone is out to get them.

Someone needs a reality check on what constitutes a public health issue, imo.

keg in kc 01-28-2008 03:32 PM

I wonder if there'll be trans-fat speak-easies?

DaneMcCloud 01-28-2008 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre
Someone needs a reality check on what constitutes a public health issue, imo.

So, you disagree that Transfat clogs arteries?

I didn't realize until today that Chiefsplanet was filled with so many doctors! LMAO

Nightfyre 01-28-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
The inevitable health care costs associated with people who ate foods with Transfat will go directly back to the government and the people who pay for the government (i.e., more taxes and the American people).

Can you honestly tell me if there's any difference in taste between food that used Transfat as opposed to the same exact food that doesn't use Transfat?

Which is why I support disowning the welfare state. People need to get over insurance as well. I will not have it after I get my career started. It increases medical costs and they still make a profit. Overall, healthcare costs get WAY overinflated compared to what they would be without the middlemen.

Nightfyre 01-28-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
So, you disagree that Transfat clogs arteries?

I didn't realize until today that Chiefsplanet was filled with so many doctors! LMAO

I don't see how me clogging my arteries is a public health issue.


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