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Mecca 01-10-2010 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury (Post 6433066)
Look at it this way: Rodgers spent three years learning under statistically the greatest QB in NFL history. And Favre didn't go out of his way to make things easy; he said when Rodgers was drafted 'I'm not here to babysit Aaron Rodgers'. He made #12 work for his respect, and over the course of three years, it was earned. He received excellent coaching during those three years when he only played a handful of snaps, and wasn't rushed into a situation he wasn't ready for.

Who was he going to learn from in KC? Nobody. He was going to be thrown into the fire at the first available opportunity without the coaching staff correcting the mechanical issues he had coming out of Cal. And then he'd be just as big a disappointment as Alex Smith, if not more so.
So is your post to tell us how we have no hope and even if we'd drafted him he'd suck anyway?

Basileus777 01-10-2010 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6433063)
That post doesn't make much sense, explain how Texas has had SO MANY guys fail then?

Texas players are a risk just because of that program they come from.
Quarerbacks developed by Jeff Tedford are a risk. How else do you explain how many first round QBs groomed by him have failed?

The_Doctor10 01-10-2010 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6433072)
So is your post to tell us how we have no hope and even if we'd drafted him he'd suck anyway?
Partly, but it's mainly to say just drafting Rodgers over DJ wouldn't on its own guarantee success. Do you think Vermeil/Herm would've handled him properly? Because he was the definition of a project; he is not the same QB now as he was when he came out of the draft.

DeezNutz 01-10-2010 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 6433069)
This post is kind of ironic given that Rodgers fell in the draft in part due to his association with Jeff Tedford.

If anything, Rodgers is proof that those kind of stereotypes aren't always right.
Absolutely. Players break the mold.

Just makes that selection a riskier pick, and you need to have both eyes wide open to make that choice.

milkman 01-10-2010 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 6433069)
This post is kind of ironic given that Rodgers fell in the draft in part due to his association with Jeff Tedford.

If anything, Rodgers is proof that those kind of stereotypes aren't always right.
I think what Rogers shows is that a talented QB is a bad college system (by bad, I mean one that doesn't help in th etransition to the pro game) can overcome that system if given time to develop.

The problem is weeding out the less talented from those that do have the talent to succeed.

milkman 01-10-2010 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury (Post 6433080)
Partly, but it's mainly to say just drafting Rodgers over DJ wouldn't on its own guarantee success. Do you think Vermeil/Herm would've handled him properly? Because he was the definition of a project; he is not the same QB now as he was when he came out of the draft.
Given that Green was entrenched as the starter, Rogers would have come ot a perfect situation.

Basileus777 01-10-2010 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6433083)
I think what Rogers shows is that a talented QB is a bad college system (by bad, I mean one that doesn't help in th etransition to the pro game) can overcome that system if given time to develop.

The problem is weeding out the less talented from those that do have the talent to succeed.
I agree. The problem with those players is that those offenses make it so difficult to evualate them. How do you scout a player who doesn't take snaps from center or doesn't have to make NFl quality reads or throws? They aren't going to automatically fail, but those obstacles make it very difficult to evaluate them.

BossChief 01-10-2010 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6433062)
So basically if you want heads, you pick tails?
yeah, basically. Im glad you got the just of it.
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6433063)
That post doesn't make much sense, explain how Texas has had SO MANY guys fail then?

Texas players are a risk just because of that program they come from.
Explain how qbs from Cal and that coaching staff always failed in the NFL.

Same thing.

That is the point of the post.

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Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury (Post 6433066)
Look at it this way: Rodgers spent three years learning under statistically the greatest QB in NFL history. And Favre didn't go out of his way to make things easy; he said when Rodgers was drafted 'I'm not here to babysit Aaron Rodgers'. He made #12 work for his respect, and over the course of three years, it was earned. He received excellent coaching during those three years when he only played a handful of snaps, and wasn't rushed into a situation he wasn't ready for.

Who was he going to learn from in KC? Nobody. He was going to be thrown into the fire at the first available opportunity without the coaching staff correcting the mechanical issues he had coming out of Cal. And then he'd be just as big a disappointment as Alex Smith, if not more so.
UMMMM dude, he would have learned from Trent Green/Dick Vermeil and Al Saunders...granted that after that he would have been dropped of a cliff witth Dick Curl and Herm, but that is neither here nor there...remember that Trent could have lasted through 06 and likely 07 if he doesnt get knocked out against Cincy. It may have been the perfect scenario to fall into for him.

Deberg_1990 01-10-2010 09:48 PM
Ive always been of the mindset, a player sucks because he sucks.

There is no "perfect situation" in which to draft a good young QB. If you have a need for one and are in position to make your team better, you do it.

I cant believe alot of Chiefs fans still sit around and wonder why these franchise has suffered for decades?? Shouldnt it be fairly obvious by now?

Mecca 01-10-2010 10:00 PM
In fairness here a lot of the Tedford QB's that failed had other major flags, Akili Smith was a 1 year starter that was also dumb as a box of rocks, Kyle Boller's career completion percentage was under 50%.

The_Doctor10 01-10-2010 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6433102)
yeah, basically. Im glad you got the just of it.

Explain how qbs from Cal and that coaching staff always failed in the NFL.

Same thing.

That is the point of the post.



UMMMM dude, he would have learned from Trent Green/Dick Vermeil and Al Saunders...granted that after that he would have been dropped of a cliff witth Dick Curl and Herm, but that is neither here nor there...remember that Trent could have lasted through 06 and likely 07 if he doesnt get knocked out against Cincy. It may have been the perfect scenario to fall into for him.
Apologies... It's been so long since anything good has happened to this team, I'd frankly forgotten.

KChiefs1 01-10-2010 10:24 PM
I love threads like these that get bumped.

OnTheWarpath15 01-10-2010 10:26 PM
Every year, the answer becomes even more obvious.

RustShack 01-10-2010 10:27 PM
Derrick Johnson is going to look like a monster when hes lineing up next to Kindle and McClain with Hali and them being aloud to roam free behind our star line of Dorsey, Franklin, and Jackson. Crennel will whip this defense into shape without Herm, Gun, and Krumri here slowing the development.

Deberg_1990 01-10-2010 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6433188)
Derrick Johnson is going to look like a monster when hes lineing up next to Kindle and McClain with Hali and them being aloud to roam free behind our star line of Dorsey, Franklin, and Jackson. Crennel will whip this defense into shape without Herm, Gun, and Krumri here slowing the development.
I hope your joking? If not.....DJ has been given every chance in the world to break out. Hes played in nearly every type of system now. He is what he is..


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