Good point....can I retract now?

Just sayin, there haven't been many defensive guys come down the pipe with the size, strength and speed of Curry. I just think he could fly off of the edge well. But then again, getting off the snap would be the deal eh?

Actually, there is usually a LB that is a similar prospect to Curry every year...he's not a once in a lifetime player he's the LB that usually goes between 8-12 every year he's being pumped up because he's safe in a weak year.

It appears that is what I said, but that was only to make the point.

There are other game changers, but generally speaking it's not that often that you get a game changer at the ILB position, which is the position that Curry's game is best suited for.

And I'm just flipping you shit.

I would use the pick because he's the best player at a position of great need for the team. Is that a good reason? He don't need to be more than he is. If he's a good pass rusher that's icing.

I'm not so hung up at what pick in the draft it is. I'm hung up on getting the best players. Not to reach for a DE to convert "in hope" of making him something else.

Willie McGinest was on NFL Networj the other day saying the toughest conversion for a 3-4 LB is pass coverage, not pass rushing.

Alright KCBOSS1, it's time for a little thing I call "Tales Of The Tape". Enough words, let's have some action:

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I think the bigger deal is that there is a lot of technique to getting through the trenches and pass rushing moves. DE is one of the more difficult positions to learn in the NFL level.

The deal is that as a 3-4 OLB, you have to be a solid DE but only have to be marginally good at a lot of the typical OLB stuff (having good range and being good in coverage). That's why you want a DE that plays OLB moreso than you want an OLB that plays DE.

That's because Willie McGinest was a defensive end in college....

I'd have to imagine that's b/c the outside backers come into the league with pass rush ability. As Mecca stated earlier, they're usually DE's.

It's because as college DE's, you're not asked to do as much pass coverage. If you think it's difficult to cover as a DE, you can imagine the challenge of asking an OLB like Curry to pass rush with his hand on the ground.

Think of it this way. When you're a RB, you want your RB to be a good receiver. But what's more important? A lousy RB who is a great receiver, or a terrific RB who's a poor receiver? Because when you're talking about a 3-4 OLB, you want a good pass rusher who is a lousy pass coverage guy a lot moreso than you want a good pass coverage guy who is a poor pass rusher.

Give me an example of a conventional 4-3 LBer that is built like a 3-4 OLB/DE. Traditional 4-3 OLBs are 220 lbs.

I asked you to give me an example of a QB coming out of college with 1 year experience a year early that succeeded in the NFL. It wasn't a reasonable arguement in that context for you. Why do you try to use it here?

You think NFL LB's are 220lbs what the **** are you smoking?

I'm not sure that I fully understand. The point is completely relevant. Vrabel, Suggs, Ware, Merriman, Woodley, Wimbley... these are all DEs who became 3-4 OLBs.

I understand the arguement and the whole concept behind it. Where I get hung up is that you know more about what Curry can and cant do than anyone else. It's a canned arguement. It's the only one left as a reason not to take the best player on the board.

You dont know he "CANT" any more than I know he "CAN". Like I've said in previous posts, he's shown he can get in the backfield. He just wasn't asked to rush the passer. To assume he cant get into the backfield to rush the passer is somewhat unrealistic IMO.

I'm not buying all the arguements. I take the best player on the board.