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Mr. Flopnuts 05-01-2010 09:58 AM

I'll be pissed if we bring Texas into the Pac-10. They won't get the benefits from our conference, that's for sure. They don't like it, they can form their own conference. We don't need them.

Saul Good 05-01-2010 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6729086)
Oh shit, how did I miss this? You're probably long gone but I'll respond anyway.

First of all, that was the BCS's doing, not the Big XII's. And it's not our fault that all eight (or however many it was) teams ranked ahead of us all lost in the following week. We weren't any less deserving than anyone else.

How about Oregon? They deserved to be there, not Nebraska.

RustShack 05-01-2010 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 6729196)
IF it is the Big 16 there wouldn't be much room for non con play unless they only play each team in conference only once..

They aren't going play the same team more than once in a year unless its in the Championship game no matter what happens.

teedubya 05-01-2010 10:41 AM

Texas will go to the SEC

Bugeater 05-01-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6729348)
How about Oregon? They deserved to be there, not Nebraska.

They had one loss just like NU. The only argument you can make in their favor is that they won their conference, but that wasn't part of the BCS formula that year.

Saul Good 05-01-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 6729383)
Texas will go to the SEC

That's possible, but it's more likely that they go independent. Imagine the size of the television contract alone. It would dwarf anything the SEC could ever dream of.

If Texas wanted to join a conference, they would probably just join the Big 10. They have the most money, and Texas has an open invitation just like ND.

Saul Good 05-01-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6729414)
They had one loss just like NU. The only argument you can make in their favor is that they won their conference, but that wasn't part of the BCS formula that year.

That's the ONLY argument? I can make 63 arguments just based on the Colorado game Nebraska played just one game earlier. This, by the way, is the same team that Oregon then dismantled in their bowl game.

Unsmooth Moment 05-01-2010 11:23 AM

I am curious how long it will take for something like this to go final

Bugeater 05-01-2010 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6729424)
That's the ONLY argument? I can make 63 arguments just based on the Colorado game Nebraska played just one game earlier. This, by the way, is the same team that Oregon then dismantled in their bowl game.

Why do Mizzou fans all seem to think one game defines a season? NU had just beat the #2 team in the nation a couple weeks earlier. You can make all the arguments you want, but the fact is the BCS formula that was used that year determined NU was the deserving team.

And at the time, no one knew that Oregon was going to destroy Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl so that argument holds no water.

beer bacon 05-01-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 6729383)
Texas will go to the SEC

There was some stuff out recently arguing that Texas will never go to the SEC because of academic issues. The claim was that they were much more likely to join the PAC 10.

Saul Good 05-01-2010 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6729438)
Why do Mizzou fans all seem to think one game defines a season? NU had just beat the #2 team in the nation a couple weeks earlier. You can make all the arguments you want, but the fact is the BCS formula that was used that year determined NU was the deserving team.

And at the time, no one knew that Oregon was going to destroy Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl so that argument holds no water.

The point is that the Cornhuskers had no business being in that game over the Ducks. The results of both games proved it beyond any possible doubt.

alnorth 05-01-2010 12:45 PM

I am not yet convinced the Big 10 will expand past 12, it doesn't make economic sense.

The Big 10 network throws off what, about $20M per team? Expanding to 12 to get a football championship game would probably be worth it and generate more than $20M, but after that?

Given the cash cow the conference has, which would have to be shared to new teams coming in, it would economically make no sense to expand beyond 12 unless each additional team would cause the Big 10 network to generate more than $20M new profit per team. I dont see how Missouri brings in another $20M, and I sure as hell dont see how Nebraska does it.

I believe this will end up being much ado about nothing, the Big 10 will likely expand to 12 and thats it. If they go to 14, the extra 2 teams will probably be some east coast schools located in heavily-populated areas. Missouri might end up being #12 to help them get the football championship game, but if Missouri is not the Big 10's #1 target (assuming ND is off the table), I just dont see it happening.

Saul Good 05-01-2010 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 6729506)
I am not yet convinced the Big 10 will expand past 12, it doesn't make economic sense.

The Big 10 network throws off what, about $20M per team? Expanding to 12 to get a football championship game would probably be worth it and generate more than $20M, but after that?

Given the cash cow the conference has, which would have to be shared to new teams coming in, it would economically make no sense to expand beyond 12 unless each additional team would cause the Big 10 network to generate more than $20M new profit per team. I dont see how Missouri brings in another $20M, and I sure as hell dont see how Nebraska does it.

I believe this will end up being much ado about nothing, the Big 10 will likely expand to 12 and thats it. If they go to 14, the extra 2 teams will probably be some east coast schools located in heavily-populated areas. Missouri might end up being #12 to help them get the football championship game, but if Missouri is not the Big 10's #1 target (assuming ND is off the table), I just dont see it happening.

That's kind of how I see it. Don't forget about the research grant that the Big 10 has, either. They would have to split up that pie as well, and it doesn't grow as schools are added the way a television contract does.

Bugeater 05-01-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6729484)
The point is that the Cornhuskers had no business being in that game over the Ducks. The results of both games proved it beyond any possible doubt.

Yes, in hindsight a Duck/Canes matchup may have been better, but you don't know how that would've played out. That Miami team was loaded, they might have went right through Oregon as well. Nebraska obviously had an edge somewhere in the formula over Oregon, it wasn't a popularity contest like the Big XII uses to slot their bowls.

Stewie 05-01-2010 12:53 PM

It cracks me up that somehow athletic affiliation has ANYTHING to do with academics. "The Big 10 is better academically than XYZ"... bullshit. Most of the Big 10 schools are huge, hence, they have the resources to get grants ad nauseum. Northwestern actually has really strict guidelines for admittance, the rest not so much. I know, I know, Ohio State has the 60,000 smartest students known to man. :rolleyes:


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