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milkman 07-16-2011 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7752584)
Ok you have me beat in the 49ers game watched department and I do apologize because watching that team was like watching those Herm ****ing Edwards teams. Dink and Dunk hand the ball off and wear out the star RB.


Like I said I would sign him but not for Wilfork money. I just don't see how signing the guy hurts us. I have faith in Romeo & Scott and you can't argue that Franklin is better than anything we have currently on the roster.

Personally, I like the idea Path (I think) had.

Sign Chris Hoke to be a stop gap while Powe develops, and draft another one in the next couple of years.

Hoke has probably two good years of productivity remaining, if not more.

DeezNutz 07-16-2011 09:35 PM

I don't want to read any posts that shortchange Powe.

Titty Meat 07-16-2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7752618)
Personally, I like the idea Path (I think) had.

Sign Chris Hoke to be a stop gap while Powe develops, and draft another one in the next couple of years.

Hoke has probably two good years of productivity remaining, if not more.

I'd be ok with that as long as Hoke is productive. We can't go another year with Edwards/Powe/Turbio it's a ****ing waste of time. I'm tired of seeing the Raiders fist **** us because we don't have a defensive tackle.

aturnis 07-16-2011 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7752618)
Personally, I like the idea Path (I think) had.

Sign Chris Hoke to be a stop gap while Powe develops, and draft another one in the next couple of years.

Hoke has probably two good years of productivity remaining, if not more.

I'll take that and still draft Te'o next year.

Titty Meat 07-16-2011 09:44 PM

I think it'd be funny if they signed Barrett Ruud. You all would hate me even more.

BossChief 07-16-2011 10:14 PM

This shit is gonna go from full stop to pedal to the medal in no time.

If I'm reading this right, we will have like three days to get Gilberry and Carr signed or risk losing them for nothing.

Pioli better get both signed, if it comes down to it I guess I could live with it if we lost Gilberry...but not Carr.

Kids a stud that will only get better as our pass rush does.

The Bad Guy 07-16-2011 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7752721)
This shit is gonna go from full stop to pedal to the medal in no time.

If I'm reading this right, we will have like three days to get Gilberry and Carr signed or risk losing them for nothing.

Pioli better get both signed, if it comes down to it I guess I could live with it if we lost Gilberry...but not Carr.

Kids a stud that will only get better as our pass rush does.

I think restricted free agency will still be in tact. Thus, if a team wants Carr, they are going to have to pony up draft picks.

They gave Carr a one-year qualifying offer.

chiefzilla1501 07-16-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7752525)
What part of we are going to have to give up a #1 draft pick to get David Harris is so difficult to understand?

Ahh, another Franklin lover. Maybe I'd take the 2009 version of Franklin because the 2010 version was shit.

You are assuming that the franchise tag applies with the new CBA. There's a very good chance Harris becomes an unrestricted free agent. In which case, you dont' have to give up any picks to get him. It's not the same as Carr where you're picking off a guy who's under contract. Harris' original contract already expired.

As for Franklin, I'm not a Franklin lover. There aren't a lot of options and I love the idea of a stopgap while they develop Powe. I think he's more than good enough to stopgap for 2 years.

The Bad Guy 07-16-2011 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7752753)
You are assuming that the franchise tag applies with the new CBA. There's a very good chance Harris becomes an unrestricted free agent.

As for Franklin, I'm not a Franklin lover. There aren't a lot of options and I love the idea of a stopgap while they develop Powe. I think he's more than good enough to stopgap for 2 years.

I'm assuming nothing. Every media report has stated that the franchise tags are staying in the CBA. There's no chance that any of the franchise players are available.

He's not going to be paid like a stop gap. He's going to get top 5 NT money.

chiefzilla1501 07-16-2011 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7752755)
I'm assuming nothing. Every media report has stated that the franchise tags are staying in the CBA. There's no chance that any of the franchise players are available.

He's not going to be paid like a stop gap. He's going to get top 5 NT money.

There's nothing wrong with top 5 money if it's a front-loaded contract that doesn't weigh your cap down for the long-term. It's okay to overpay a guy if you have cap space to do it. I have a problem with bringing in a guy who's going to weigh your cap space down for 5 years. A guy like Franklin would have no problem taking the bulk of his money upfront, since he's only got 2-3 years left anyway.

If you have to give a draft pick for Harris, of course he's not worth it. But if the tag moves to a one-time use only, are they still going to apply the tag to him? My guess is they'd have a chance to re-evaluate.

aturnis 07-16-2011 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7752746)
I think restricted free agency will still be in tact. Thus, if a team wants Carr, they are going to have to pony up draft picks.

They gave Carr a one-year qualifying offer.

Is restricted free agency not the same as right to first refusal?

aturnis 07-16-2011 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7752721)
This shit is gonna go from full stop to pedal to the medal in no time.

If I'm reading this right, we will have like three days to get Gilberry and Carr signed or risk losing them for nothing.

Pioli better get both signed, if it comes down to it I guess I could live with it if we lost Gilberry...but not Carr.

Kids a stud that will only get better as our pass rush does.

What about Shaun Smith, Ron Edwards and Barry Richardson? I don't really have a problem letting Edwards go, if we find another NT or have that much faith in Powe. Shaun Smith could move inside to NT exclusively and let Edwards go. I like Shaun, but won't cry if he has to move on. I'm surprised you didn't mention Richardson though, seeing as how we have no other tackle on the roster outside of Albert. He has made great strides since I first saw him at his rookie camp. You want them to sign Clabo or what?

BossChief 07-17-2011 12:51 AM

Honestly, I think there will be 4 or 5 OTs in free agency over Richardson.

I want a right tackle that will allow Moeaki to run more routes.

Richardson is solid as he'll in the running game...a real road grader. In the passing game though, he isn't dependable. When teams blitz off his edge, he seems to be lost as to who to block and IMO hasn't improved in that category.

Clabo would be worth every penny to this offense...so would Ryan Harris and a few others including Yanda.

I'd be fine with bringing Richardson brought back for another year to see if he can finally overcome his inconsistencies...but Im not in the camp that wants him signed long term.

milkman 07-17-2011 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 7752770)
Is restricted free agency not the same as right to first refusal?

RFA still applies to players that going into their 4th year.

Right of first refusal is an option the owners were hoping to have for players that have completed their 4th year.

milkman 07-17-2011 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7752866)
Honestly, I think there will be 4 or 5 OTs in free agency over Richardson.

I want a right tackle that will allow Moeaki to run more routes.

Richardson is solid as he'll in the running game...a real road grader. In the passing game though, he isn't dependable. When teams blitz off his edge, he seems to be lost as to who to block and IMO hasn't improved in that category.

Clabo would be worth every penny to this offense...so would Ryan Harris and a few others including Yanda.

I'd be fine with bringing Richardson brought back for another year to see if he can finally overcome his inconsistencies...but Im not in the camp that wants him signed long term.

I don't think the Chiefs will go after more than one of those free agents in the open market.

They'll re-sign Richardson if they can, and probably persue Matt Light.

I think Richardson continues to grow, so I'll be happy about that, but I'll be pissed when the only free agent they bring in is Light.


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