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Mr. Laz 12-08-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8181408)
I know I have a certain level of bias on this subject, so I have chosen to leave that aspect out of the equation.



Why not?

Shit, even Kurt Warner publicly praised Haleys ability to get his game to the next level. I think the level of patience he showed through his time with Cassel shows he would do the same for a young signal caller.

There is nothing I see from Haley that would indicate he would ruin a rookie quarterback.

there is NOTHING to indicate that Haley can develop a QB either.

Before Kansas City:
Haley had never developed a QB
Haley had never installed an offense at ANY level of football
Haley had never even put together the personnel of an offense.

Haley inherited a ready-made offense with a superbowl winning QB,2 probowl receivers ... all under an offensive minded head coach. He did this for all of 18 months in his only experience at the coordinator level in the NFL or at any level for that matter.

All that and it didn't even touch upon the question whether he has the social skills or maturity to get the job done or not.

Hammock Parties 12-08-2011 04:16 PM

"Treat a player as he is and he will remain as he is. Treat a player as if he were what he
could be and should be and he will become what he could be and should be."

- Jimmy Johnson

Todd Haley would rather just call the QB a ****ing pussy.

BigMeatballDave 12-08-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8181436)
How does that work in your favor?

Haley would rather spit vitriol than actually coach quarterbacks.

This is not up for debate. There is a mountain of evidence.

OMGWTFBBQ

No HC in the history of the NFL has ever done this.

BossChief 12-08-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8181436)
How does that work in your favor?

Haley would rather spit vitriol than actually coach quarterbacks.

This is not up for debate. There is a mountain of evidence.

He strongly emphasized what Brodie needed to do in that situation if he ever wants to have a chance.

FFS iirc Croyle let the play clock run out on a crucial down.

Are you saying he should have done the opposite of what Jimmy Johnson says in your quote of him?

BossChief 12-08-2011 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8181441)
there is NOTHING to indicate that Haley can develop a QB either.

Before Kansas City:
Haley had never developed a QB
Haley had never installed an offense at ANY level of football
Haley had never even put together the personnel of an offense.

Haley inherited a ready-made offense with a superbowl winning QB,2 probowl receivers ... all under an offensive minded head coach. He did this for all of 18 months in his only experience at the coordinator level in the NFL or at any level for that matter.

All that and it didn't even touch upon the question whether he has the social skills or maturity to get the job done or not.

Yeah, Fitz and Warner obviously thought he had nothing to do with any of that superbowl run.

BOTH praised Haley endlessly in the public for his coaching and motivational abilities.

Hammock Parties 12-08-2011 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8181565)
He strongly emphasized what Brodie needed to do in that situation if he ever wants to have a chance.

FFS iirc Croyle let the play clock run out on a crucial down.

Are you saying he should have done the opposite of what Jimmy Johnson says in your quote of him?

I'm suggesting Haley has a long and stupid history of being an idiot instead of actually coaching.

He belittles and insults players when they **** up.

I have to believe he'd do permanent damage to a young quarterback's mental makeup.

Nightfyre 12-08-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8181445)
"Treat a player as he is and he will remain as he is. Treat a player as if he were what he
could be and should be and he will become what he could be and should be."

- Jimmy Johnson

Todd Haley would rather just call the QB a ****ing pussy.

You don't have any clue what goes on during practice or in the lockerroom or really outside of a few .gif lip readings. Key point bolded for emphasis. Clearly this is YET ANOTHER example of you allowing your emotions to cloud whatever logical capability you have.

Hammock Parties 12-08-2011 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8181606)
You don't have any clue what goes on during practice or in the lockerroom or really outside of a few .gif lip readings. Key point bolded for emphasis. Clearly this is YET ANOTHER example of you allowing your emotions to cloud whatever logical capability you have.

Do you have evidence from the last three seasons that suggests Haley could be a good coach for a young QB?

All I see is an asshole who can't control his rage, and shitty quarterbacks.

BossChief 12-08-2011 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8181589)
I'm suggesting Haley has a long and stupid history of being an idiot instead of actually coaching.

He belittles and insults players when they **** up.

I have to believe he'd do permanent damage to a young quarterback's mental makeup.

"Don't let ME break you"

If his style would "ruin" a young quarterback, he was never the young quarterback that could lead us to a superbowl win.

"oh noes, Todd Haley is yelling at a player for totally ****ing up a game situation"

Gimme a break.

Nightfyre 12-08-2011 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8181589)
I'm suggesting Haley has a long and stupid history of being an idiot instead of actually coaching.

He belittles and insults players when they **** up.

I have to believe he'd do permanent damage to a young quarterback's mental makeup.

WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU? Young QBs can't face a little adversity from their superiors? Their poor wittle egos would just cwack under the pwessure! This is exactly how the military trains its leaders you dumb****. Leaders are born in the fires of high-stress, high-pressure environments, not in ****ing candyland after riding a unicorn.

Nightfyre 12-08-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8181619)
Do you have evidence from the last three seasons that suggests Haley could be a good coach for a young QB?

All I see is an asshole who can't control his rage, and shitty quarterbacks.

Sample size (and talent level) is too small to arrive at a decisive conclusion. Anyone who does try is grasping at straws. (YOU!)

Nightfyre 12-08-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8181621)
"Don't let ME break you"

If his style would "ruin" a young quarterback, he was never the young quarterback that could lead us to a superbowl win.

"oh noes, Todd Haley is yelling at a player for totally ****ing up a game situation"

Gimme a break.

QFMFT

BossChief 12-08-2011 04:46 PM

Give me a list of players Hey should have been able to develop, but failed to do so.

Hammock Parties 12-08-2011 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8181626)
WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU? Young QBs can't face a little adversity from their superiors? Their poor wittle egos would just cwack under the pwessure! This is exactly how the military trains its leaders you dumb****. Leaders are born in the fires of high-stress, high-pressure environments, not in ****ing candyland after riding a unicorn.

I don't recall Joe Montana ever being flamed by Bill Walsh on the sidelines.

Nor do I recall Peyton Manning getting wasted by Jim Mora.

I don't think there is anything positive about the way Haley handles quarterbacks.

Nightfyre 12-08-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8181661)
I don't recall Joe Montana ever being flamed by Bill Walsh on the sidelines.

Nor do I recall Peyton Manning getting wasted by Jim Mora.

I don't think there is anything positive about the way Haley handles quarterbacks.

Mora and Peyton got into it. I don't know what deluded hippy universe you live in.


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