Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8724544)

You continue to use shallow reasoning that ignores the differences in strength of schedule.

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8724550)

The undefeated Packers certainly won't lose to the lowly Chiefs with their fat, old coach...

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8724554)

Using one game to imply last year's schedule was akin to this year's is also faulty reasoning.

Spock would destroy you in any argument.

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8724554)

Using one game to imply last year's schedule was akin to this year's is also faulty reasoning.

Spock would destroy you in any argument.

Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 8723662)

If you step out of the box, you have to actually learn something about what it takes to win in the postseason and what it takes to win a Super Bowl.

Now, for all of Peyton's incredible regular season games in recent years, he has failed to live up to expectations in the postseason. EVERY single year that he's been there except when he won the Super Bowl, Peyton has choked.

1999 Colts lose 23-17 in OT to the Dolphins
Result: The Colts generated 11 points off Fiedler's interceptions but put a total of just 17 on the board.

2000 Colts lose 19-16 to Tennessee.
Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 19-16.

2003 Colts lose 41-0 to the NY Jets
Result: (14 for 31, 137 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs and failed to put a single point on the board. Manning chokes. Colts lose, 41-0.

2004 Colts lose 24-14 to the New England Patriots
Result: AFC title game against New England. Manning threw four interceptions. Manning chokes. Colts lose, 24-14

2005 Colts lose 20-3 to the New England Patriots
Result: Peyton 27 of 42 passes for 238 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT. Manning chokes. Colts lose, 20-3 .

2006 Super Bowl Colts win 29-17 to the Chicago Bears
Result: When the Colts switched to a two back set in 2006, the backs both had amazing postseasons.

2007 Colts 24-28 lose to the San Diego Chargers
Result: Peyton 33 of 48 passes for 402 yards with 3 TDs and 2 INT. Manning chokes. Colts lose 28-24

2008 Colts 17-23 lose (Wildcard) to the San Diego Chargers
Result: Peyton 25 of 42 passes for 310 yards 1 TD and 0 INT. Manning chokes. Colts lose 23-17

2009 Super Bowl Colts 17-31 lose to the New Orleans Saints
Result: Peyton 31 of 45 passes for 333 yards 1 TD and 1 INT. Manning chokes.
Colts lose 31-17

2010 Colts lose 17-16 (Wildcard) to the New York Jets
Result: Peyton 18 of 26 passes for 225 yards 1 TD 0 INT. Manning chokes.
J.C. if you lose to Mark Sanchez, you damn better know you choked BIG time.

That is all.

Source: http://www.pro-football-reference.co...r_by=game_date

Now, may I suggest you take this information back to the Denver Broncos' forum and let them digest this.

Yours truly,

A fan of Peyton's big brother, Eli Manning :D

Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8724544)

You continue to use shallow reasoning that ignores the differences in strength of schedule.

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8724599)

Spock wouldn't make any illogical arguments that stronger teams from last year are going to repeat that performance.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724638)

This is a better team than the '10 edition.

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8724627)

As a Patriot fan, I've been saying this about Peyton for years. He's underachieved in the biggest games. He finally only won a SB when his defense and running game were good enough (and Peyton was probably the least of the factors in that SB; he went 25/38 for a whopping 247 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT).

His little brother might not have the stats, but he plays best when he needs to and he gets the job done.

After watching him stick it up Belichick's and Brady's asses twice now in four seasons, I'd take Eli as a QB in a heartbeat.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724644)

I've been saying the same thing about Delivence for years, as well.

I used to take a lot of heat on here for my opinion, but people have come around to see the truth in the last couple of years.

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8724599)

Spock wouldn't make any illogical arguments that stronger teams from last year are going to repeat that performance. Going into last year everyone believed we had a killer schedule in the middle where we probably wouldn't win a game. The Jets who beat us were not as advertised, and the Bears who didn't without Cutler were not either. Nobody thought we could beat the Packers. We are not playing the 2011 teams with the 2012 schedule. Drew Brees lost a lot of protection upfront, doesn't have his coach on the sidelines and lost some of their better players to suspension on the defense. If you think playing them this year equals playing the 13-3 2011 New Orleans Saints, you are making a fool's argument. That's just one team.

The Steelers have had to replace a lot of older parts. The Ravens lost Suggs for the entire year. The Bengals haven't put together good back to back seasons since the days of Ken Anderson. The Browns could be better. The NFC South is so schizophrenic that the last place club from the previous year often wins the division. Cam Newton could have a sophomore slump. Freeman might finally put it all together. Atlanta might start slow again.

Everyone knows we are starting with a disadvantage with Cassel under center. Who knows? Maybe the homers are right and he needed more weapons? This team has way too much talent to dismiss. Maybe Matt Cassel gets hurt in preseason.

Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8724665)

Peyton's defenses were built to maintain a lead. That's why they had 2 undersized speed demons as 4-3 DEs and crappy undersized LBs and DTs. The expectation was that Peyton would quickly put his team in the lead so the defense was built to protect against the pass, (for Dave - typically teams that have fallen behind will use the pass to try to gain a larger amount of yards in a shorter amount of time).
This defensive tactic didn't work well against teams like NE and SD because their offenses were able to answer back with screens, dink and dunk passes and strong running games.
To put the blame entirely on Peyton's shoulders isn’t fair. It's my opinion that if a healthy Peyton was playing for those SB winning Giants teams he would have won handily and it wouldn’t have needed to involve last second heroics.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Peyton should be rated higher than Eli right now because he has a broken neck.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724685)

Whether or not the defense was built to play with a lead, that has nothing to do with the fact that Peyton, when plays needed to be made in the biggest moments in the biggest games, late in those games, he has failed to deliver in every opportunity, but one.

You can talk about all the other bullshit you want, but at the end of the the day, Peyton Manning has been the worst QB of any "great" QB when it matters the most, when the game is on the line in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8724694)

His brother is like the polar opposite. Average during average times but great in the clutch the last few years.

2 SB rings > 1 SB ring.