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Swanman 07-12-2012 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8735423)
The Cubs have the second worst record in baseball, but they are going to have 1.2 million fans walk through their turnstiles than their first-place citymates who play in the Chicago equivalent of Raytown.
Absolutely terrible comparison.

007 07-12-2012 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8734240)
Look where those idiots built their stadium. It's right in the middle of where tens of thousands of people work and socialize every day. Why the **** would they do that?

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...schStadium.jpg

Now this is what I call vision. No buildings or people to get in the way of that beautiful 120 acre parking lot. It's just perfect for all those people who want to leave work at 5:00, drive home in rush hour traffic, get home at 5:45, get back in the car at 6:05, hit the taco bell in Raytown on the way at 6:30, pay to park, roll into the stadium at 6:50, and drive straight home after the game.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/1981/142.jpg
you are actually comparing downtown St Louis to downtown KC. JFC

also, St Louis has ALWAYS been a downtown stadium.

007 07-12-2012 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8734753)
The complex is technically in KC proper. You literally leave Raytown when you enter the main parking lot. Does that somehow make this

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/1981/142.jpg

an exciting destination for 81 baseball games a year?
I love it there. Party before the game. party after the game. Save money because I didn't have to pay inflated bar prices. WIN

Dylan 07-12-2012 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8733602)
Build up the area? Kansas City just did that and is subsidizing it to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. That area is downtown...where people actually work.

And then, the taxpayers ponied up hundreds of millions of dollars so that a few billionaires could make more money off of the stadiums...and instead of building a new stadium near that beautiful downtown entertainment district, the stadium was renovated by adding a couple of bars and a playground. Meanwhile, the billionaire owner of the Royals has shown absolutely zero willingness to make the financial commitment necessary for building a winner.

Now we're supposed to say, "Hey Mr. Glass. Dumping hundreds of millions of dollars into your stadium in the middle of nowhere wasn't enough. Now, we're going to dump another hundred million into building an entertainment district around your stadium. Of course, nobody works near there, so nobody is going to go there, but we're Kansas City. This is what we do. You've seen where we put the ****ing airport, right?"
Professional sports stadiums should be privately funded. Fans should pay for their tickets - not build, develop or pay for maintenance - That is unless the citizens of the community are going to profit on a variety of tax breaks and subsidies, ticket sales, concessions, merchandise, broadcast contracts and eventually on the sale of the team.

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http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/...ls_339113.html

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The Wal-Mart Way: David Glass and the Kansas City Royals (page 133)

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KingPriest2 07-12-2012 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8734240)
Look where those idiots built their stadium. It's right in the middle of where tens of thousands of people work and socialize every day. Why the **** would they do that?

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...schStadium.jpg

Now this is what I call vision. No buildings or people to get in the way of that beautiful 120 acre parking lot. It's just perfect for all those people who want to leave work at 5:00, drive home in rush hour traffic, get home at 5:45, get back in the car at 6:05, hit the taco bell in Raytown on the way at 6:30, pay to park, roll into the stadium at 6:50, and drive straight home after the game.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...s/1981/142.jpg
Hey Saul, want to hit the game after work?

Sure, what time?

We're going to meet up at J Bucks and head over to the stadium around 6:30.

Perfect. I get off at 4:30. I'm going to run over to Band Box to drop off my dry cleaning, and I'll meet you at 5.

Ok Saul you don't make sense here

In the first one you said the person leaves work and goes home but if they work downtown they wouldnt So if that is the case why go home?

Also a 45 mintue rush hour drive home? Wow must live pretty far out I can get from Independence to OP in 35 minutes

Also its been noted several times that it NOT in Raytown but Kansas City

Valiant 07-12-2012 07:20 PM
I prefer our set up with the stadiums.. I can get there and parked after work in 20mins and drink cheap beer with my friends in the parking lot and grill out before the game.. Then after the game be home in 20mins to the northland..

Downtown stadium visits increased our costs and time..

Also, this would not be an issue if the Royals spent 100m on the team and had winning product.. The stadium would have minimum 30k for every game.. As someone else has said, most people do not live downtown so a downtown stadium would probably do worse with the same product as it would take way longer to park and walk.. Sports Complex is streamlined and quick..

dirk digler 07-12-2012 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8735423)
All things being equal, a downtown stadium improves attendance and does more for the local economy. Of course winning matters. The weather matters, too. Neither are part of this particular discussion, however.

The Cubs have the second worst record in baseball, but they are going to have 1.2 million fans walk through their turnstiles than their first-place citymates who play in the Chicago equivalent of Raytown.
Well first Wrigley Field isn't a good comparison because it is more of a tourist attraction than anything else. I imagine most people like myself who went to Chicago during baseball season have to go to Wrigley at least once.

Second I have been in a lot of the biggest cities in the country downtown and in comparison KC is a ghost town. There isn't millions of people walking around there is like 10-20. When people come to KC they mostly stay at the Plaza area or Crown Center. Those areas probably wouldn't be a bad place to build a stadium.

I do like the Sports Complex though because the ease of access getting in and out. But there really isn't any space to build things around it since it is mostly all parking and highways.

milkman 07-12-2012 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8733897)
That's great and all, but 7-11 employees aren't really going to fill up stadiums. If you're going to put three million asses in the seats, you're going to need to get white collar people with expense accounts taking their clients to games, buying them booze, etc.

Businesses buy season tickets. When there is a day game in Saint Louis, half the people there are using company tickets. It's not as appealing to drive out to ****ing Raytown as it is to walk across the street, and it's sure as shit not as appealing to drink Sprite at Denny's afterwards as it is to down Sapphire and tonics on a rooftop bar fifty stories up across the street from Busch Stadium.

It blows my mind that people actually think that the Truman Sports Complex is as good of a place for a baseball stadium as downtown next to the Kauffman Center.

This is why Kansas City has an airport just south of Des Moines, a city council that gets into flame wars with its mayor (even though they belong to the same political party), and schools that can't seem to hang on to their accreditation for longer than a Kardashian can stay married.
Are you usually this stupid?

This wasn't about some random 7-11 employee, you ****ing dumbass.

This was about the fact that the fan base is spread out across hundreds of miles.

-King- 07-12-2012 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8735423)
All things being equal, a downtown stadium improves attendance and does more for the local economy. Of course winning matters. The weather matters, too. Neither are part of this particular discussion, however.

The Cubs have the second worst record in baseball, but they are going to have 1.2 million fans walk through their turnstiles than their first-place citymates who play in the Chicago equivalent of Raytown.
What about a team like the Astros? Downtown stadium in the 4th largest market in the country and yet average less fans than the Royals.

Being downtown means LESS than winning. A lot less actually.

Brock 07-12-2012 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8735974)
I do like the Sports Complex though because the ease of access getting in and out. But there really isn't any space to build things around it since it is mostly all parking and highways.
Huh? No.

Saul Good 07-12-2012 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8736114)
What about a team like the Astros? Downtown stadium in the 4th largest market in the country and yet average less fans than the Royals.

Being downtown means LESS than winning. A lot less actually.
Yes. It means less than winning. I think that's a given. Can we please stop beating this straw man?

Saul Good 07-12-2012 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8736130)
Huh? No.
There's no room to build anything because it's crammed full of emptiness.

dirk digler 07-12-2012 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8736130)
Huh? No.
You are probably right after looking at this pic. Probably the best bet would be where the trees are south of Arrowhead. That is about it though.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3363/3...e364945793.jpg

Brock 07-12-2012 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8736145)
You are probably right after looking at this pic. Probably the best bet would be where the trees are south of Arrowhead. That is about it though.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3363/3...e364945793.jpg
Go look at the satellite view. There is plenty of space to put in whatever the hell.

Saul Good 07-12-2012 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8736102)
Are you usually this stupid?

This wasn't about some random 7-11 employee, you ****ing dumbass.

This was about the fact that the fan base is spread out across hundreds of miles.
Every fan base is spread out across hundreds of miles. That doesn't mean that you just say "**** it" and stick the stadium in the most god-forsaken part of that territory.

...if you're not Kansas City, I mean. If you're Kansas City, that's exactly what you do because there's a big parking lot there.


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