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Donger 08-07-2012 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8797347)
First high-res shots from Curiousity:

http://i.imgur.com/6IY4x.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9KLfd.jpg

I think those are still from the "fish eye" lens of the HAZCAMs. The top picture shows Mount Sharp, or Aeolis Mons, which rises 18,000 feet above Gale Crater, where Curiosity is landed.

Donger 08-07-2012 07:53 AM

Here's the general location of the landing site, just for reference:

http://i.space.com/images/i/14990/i0...jpg?1328135869

Donger 08-07-2012 07:54 AM

Here's a corrected shot of the above shot of Mount Sharp:

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wi...ok-660x495.jpg

Donger 08-07-2012 07:56 AM

First color picture. Looks like Phoenix:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/6...43_946-710.jpg

Donger 08-07-2012 08:14 AM

Here's another shot of Gale Crater showing where Curiosity is located. The crater is ~96 miles wide.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...15686_full.jpg

Lzen 08-07-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 8795783)
They wanna do it by 2035

I don't see that happening. Not unless we get another leader like Kennedy who is committed to it.

Donger 08-07-2012 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 8797464)
I don't see that happening. Not unless we get another leader like Kennedy who is committed to it.

Yeah, considering that we can't even fly to the ISS right now, I don't see it happening either.

Hammock Parties 08-07-2012 09:15 AM

Might as well color correct the two awesome pics.

http://i.imgur.com/lujeY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Fzz2Z.jpg

JD10367 08-07-2012 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8797485)
Yeah, considering that we can't even fly to the ISS right now, I don't see it happening either.

Depends. The first step was to test a landing scenario like this. The next step would to see if they can send something that can actually get back into the atmosphere and return.

Here's my take.

To reach Mars, it would require a voyage of months. Thus, the humans onboard would need living quarters capable of sustaining life (oxygen, water, food, waste disposal, exercise, communication, health care). Since you'd want a minimum of two travelers for redundancy and support, you'd need double the stuff. Now, most spacecraft are only designed for temporary living, but as technology increases and we turn "storage" into "sustainability", it's feasible. The spacecraft would have to have a seperate landing/return vehicle much like the moon trips did. And this ship would be so large and complex that it probably couldn't be built and launched in one piece from Earth; they'd probably have to launch it in stages and assemble it in space, like the ISS, and then when ready give it a "push" out of orbit either by external rockets brought into orbit or by the ship's engines which would be fueled by a transport rocket.

This all sounds very complex, but we've already done a lot of the footwork for this, not only in our space missions but in our undersea missions. What's a nuclear submarine, really, except the difference is that it functions in water and not in zero-gravity? The propulsion system would be a bit different but we're still talking about encapsulated and sustained life (and you hopefully wouldn't need the torpedoes and missiles in space... yet).

Fish 08-07-2012 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8797561)
Depends. The first step was to test a landing scenario like this. The next step would to see if they can send something that can actually get back into the atmosphere and return.

Here's my take.

To reach Mars, it would require a voyage of months. Thus, the humans onboard would need living quarters capable of sustaining life (oxygen, water, food, waste disposal, exercise, communication, health care). Since you'd want a minimum of two travelers for redundancy and support, you'd need double the stuff. Now, most spacecraft are only designed for temporary living, but as technology increases and we turn "storage" into "sustainability", it's feasible. The spacecraft would have to have a seperate landing/return vehicle much like the moon trips did. And this ship would be so large and complex that it probably couldn't be built and launched in one piece from Earth; they'd probably have to launch it in stages and assemble it in space, like the ISS, and then when ready give it a "push" out of orbit either by external rockets brought into orbit or by the ship's engines which would be fueled by a transport rocket.

This all sounds very complex, but we've already done a lot of the footwork for this, not only in our space missions but in our undersea missions. What's a nuclear submarine, really, except the difference is that it functions in water and not in zero-gravity? The propulsion system would be a bit different but we're still talking about encapsulated and sustained life (and you hopefully wouldn't need the torpedoes and missiles in space... yet).

The **** we don't. At minimum, a couple arrays of phasers and at least a couple dozen photon torpedo tubes....

JD10367 08-07-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8797573)
The **** we don't. At minimum, a couple arrays of phasers and at least a couple dozen photon torpedo tubes....

Well, I did say "yet". Step One for any phase of humanity has been, "How do we survive?" Step Two is, "How do we kill anyone we don't like?"

Donger 08-07-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8797561)
The spacecraft would have to have a seperate landing/return vehicle much like the moon trips did.

Not necessarily. One of the plans over the years had no intention of returning to Earth. It was always envisioned as a one-way trip.

KC_Lee 08-07-2012 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8797573)
The **** we don't. At minimum, a couple arrays of phasers and at least a couple dozen photon torpedo tubes....

Not to mention a couple of Type 66 Maser Cannons in case of a King Ghidorah encounter.

Hammock Parties 08-07-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8797582)
Not necessarily. One of the plans over the years had no intention of returning to Earth. It was always envisioned as a one-way trip.

I think this would be the best idea, especially since you might ****ing die out there anyway.

BigRedChief 08-07-2012 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 8797464)
I don't see that happening. Not unless we get another leader like Kennedy who is committed to it.

It's not really the politicians fault. They are not going to sacrifice their careers for science. For a possibility.

It's on us. Look at these threads. There is always someone making a comment about it being wasted money. Until our society agains values science we cant expect politicians to make them.


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