i wouldn't say it was pretty damn good.. THey hurt pretty bad by loosing kalil. THey weren't as bad was WVU but they weren't good by any means.

This is where you are getting off though. His physical abilities don't allow him to have as high of a ceiling as the others.


All that stuff you just said is great, and I'm sure he could be great at it. But in the end he has to have arm strength and accuracy to get the ball where it needs to go.


Thats what I question.

I can see Barkley succeeding here. We have the talent/coaching to help him out.

Charles has helped much worse look like a competent *ahem Cassel*

he has plenty of arm strength for the NFL and he's plenty accurate to. Hell he's got a stronger arm that half the NFL at this point. Accuracy he's had and he can even learn more and go farther. Especially with a system and coach like reid. Hell peyton has a ****ing NOODLE arm but he does what he does cause he's smart and he has the system perfectly fit to him.

I'm a firm believer that accuracy is a product of the system that you put around your QB. Granted there is natural accuracy, that i think barkley and geno both have. But system and coaching can take it to that elite level, ala geno in his air raid system with his teams system

I don't know if you follow Nick Jacobs on Twitter, but he just made an interesting point about Geno in the KSU game.


Basically said KSU baited Geno into throws, were sound defensively and that Geno was limited by the WVU o philosophy and took what KSU gave him.

The system DID get figured out and Dana h did little to nothing to adapt to that. Maybe that was coaching or maybe it was talent outside of the two receivers...maybe it was Geno himself not being able to figure out what the defenses were trying to do to him.

That's where it's hard to make a real judgement with such limited info available to us.

No doubt everything got turned sideways by KSt and never turned back.

If Geno is able to answer those questions in the meeting rooms, he will go first overall, if he isn't able to...he could be waiting to be drafted for som time.

Should be interesting.

Accuracy is wha????


Barkley struggled with accuracy this year throwing a career high in INTs.


Barkley has the ceiling of a high end game manager. You can win with that, even win a playoff game or two. But without an elite group around him, I tend to think thats about it.

Why don't you see that being the case?

What I am seeing Is paralysis by analysis. We've heard so many times that this class of QBs is weak and there is no Luck that we're subconsciously looking for reasons why the Chiefs might not take him.

If there's one thing I am pretty sure of its that we care A LOT more about whether he throws at the combine than the NFL teams do. They've got his tape and they know even more than we do what they are watching.

At the combine, they want to sit in a room with him and pick his brain. If he throws, that's the icing on the cake.

As for being labeled a Geno-ite, I can't imagine why you would say that. You would prefer to ignore the TRUTH in hopes that people wouldn't label you as being subjective? That's just crazy talk.

Was Sam Bradford a sure fire #1 pick? Because I sure as hell don't see a lot of difference.

ABG right? :evil:

Just don't agree at all.

He has the highest floor, yes. But his ceiling isn't close to Wilson's or Geno's.

I can see Barkley fitting in a lot of places and playing right away.

I don't see him as a guy taking the team on his back and winning in the NFL though.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. Barkley can be another Matt Ryan if he goes into the right situation.

IMO, of course.

Well, my Geno ite take was sarcastic as hell, but I guess that didn't cross.

I think you've been bombarded by anti geno/Qb stuff on here you've got embattled soldier syndrome or something htis. Calm yourself, I'm one of the good guys.


I do have questions about Geno. Doesn't mean I don't want/think we will take him at 1 overall.

Good post.

The conversation level in this thread is so far and away superior to the level of conversation when Blackbob was an active poster.