I guess I'm not surprised by this. I put little stock into Kiper and even less into McShay... but I do think these guys are ripping the QB class because they're all hearing terrible things from scouts/personnel people. I don't think it's entirely their own opinion.

The big difference between these guys and Pioli is they've 1) always put a high importance on the QB position and 2) have never been afraid to take one high in the draft. I feel confident that if they pass at 1, it'll be because they truly do not like anyone at that pick, and not some misguided ego trip to prove they're football geniuses.

But I've been wrong before. And the reality is there are questions about this class. But there will also be at least one or two guys who end up being underrated and have success. A Dalton, Kaepernick, Brees, Wilson, Rodgers... etc.

I agree to an extent.

If you have less invested in a QB today, you would think you are more likely to be aggressive in the upcoming offseason if said QB is not playing at the level you require (unless you are pioli).

I'm not 100% on QBs. I liked Sanchez but was concerned about his lack of experience. I didn't like Tannehill, again because of the experience factor.

That being said, I thought Matt Ryan was a game manager and said he'd never win a Super Bowl. I said Jay Cutler was a loser mentally and would never win in Denver - he didn't win a single playoff game there.

I've been right more often than wrong about QBs. There's guys here that are much better at this than me but I do watch a TON of football.

I'm absolutely CONVINCED that Geno has what it takes to be a solid NFL starter with championship upside.

I think I know HCF's response.

"Where's your NFL team if you're so smart?"

A bag of doughnuts says I'm right.

I agree with everything you said. :thumb:

Honestly I am just proud of you that you didn't put your head in the sand.

This does not even begin to show anything dying...more than a year after your 6 month prediction. Grasp at some more straws but know I am giving you a high five for trying.

All I know is that I did not sit through every ****ing game this year, hoping for a loss, just so we could trade for a trashy QB from another team. Foles was trash in Arizona and he was trash in Philly. Draft Geno Smith number one. If Foles is starting, there is no reason to even watch because the season will be over before it starts and it will be clear that this administration is clueless.

Foles wasnt' trash. He showed some upside. He wasn't great, but he wasn't trash at all.

Trent led the greatest offense this franchise has ever seen. We were a top 5 offense 4 years in a row. 2 of those years, we were statistically the BEST.

In that time, our defense was 25th or worse. 2 of those years, they were last and second last.

Blaming Trent for those failures is ****ing stupid. If you're going to point the finger at anyone, point it at King Carl and Dick Vermeil for not making our defense worth a shit.

It takes more than a good QB to win. I thought this was understood?

If i read what has been said by a number of people is that there is no stanout number one. And this years draft class does not have the quality last year had. No one is saying its a bad class. Its just not a standout easy pick. Thats why people see opportunities to do more than just take a QB with the number 1 pick. The Geno or die mantra is the fanboy emotional point. We need a quality Qb. We have zero in what we have. We will have better this season. Geno? Maybe. But he is not good enough to make it an easy pick. Intangables will factor big time. The difference between the top 3 or 5 QBs is not enough to make any one an easy pick

Sucks to be you?

Nope, this argument doesn't work. You specifically told us it didn't work when talking about Geno and his defenses. So get out with that bullshit.


Yes, Green was a good QB. I'm not arguing against that. But facts are facts. We made the playoffs once. You yourself told us that the QB should be able to carry said defense if he's that good.


So which is it?

Looks like we have another "this QB class isn't great, lets wait and not take the best one, but take the 5 or 6 best".

Anybody who makes an argument blaming any offensive player from the Vermeil-era for lack of playoff success should be locked in a closet and never allowed to participate in football discussion ever again. It seems like someone makes a comment along those lines every other week anymore.

So shitty. We didn't even need a great defense...just an average one. Ugh.