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OldSchool 02-23-2014 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10449488)
me too.



agree, though I dont think he played quite as well as a chiefs. I dont recall his run defense as being very good. With his size I would love to have paired him up with Poe in the chiefs 2 down lineman defenses (with Hali and Houston rushing).



Catapano is 6'3.7' with 33.75'' arms, while Clarke is 6'6'' with 34.6'' arms. Catapano had 19 sacks in college while Clark had 9.5. Clarke maybe bigger, but Catapano is likely the better pass rusher (though against a lower level of competition) and the better athlete.

Have you watched Clarke play?

Mother****erJones 02-23-2014 10:47 PM

My first and third picks I want to see a playmaking WR, TE, pass rusher, safety

OldSchool 02-23-2014 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10449699)
My first and third picks I want to see a playmaking WR, TE, pass rusher, safety

I really hope we manage to re-sign Abdullah or go after a better FS in FA vs drafting one high this year and also sign a veteran 3-4 DE in FA (Carricker, Frostee Rucker, Patoitua). The OL, WR, and CB groups are too strong to pass up on in the first 3-4 rounds, we have to take Attaochu if he is there at our 3rd round pick as well.

ForeverChiefs58 02-23-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10449097)
(a.) Assuming the following players are off the board:

QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
QB Blake Bortles, UCF
QB Johnny Manziel. Texas A&M
QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
OT Greg Robinson, Auburn
OT Tyler Lewan, Michigan
DT/DE Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota
DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
OLB Khalil Mack,Buffalo
OLB Anthony Barr,UCLA
CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
S HaHa Clinton-Dix, Alabama

(b.) And assuming no game-changing FAs are added, and of the departing FAs, we only retain Schwartz.

Here's a comprehensive list right now of who I'd take at 23, in order, as of now:

1. WR Odell Beckham, Jr., LSU -- fantastic playmaker, great YAC guy
2. TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech -- peerless route-runner at the TE position
3. WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State -- outstanding speed and athleticism, will stretch defenses
4. TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington -- project w/ huge size to be elite in future seasons
5. DE Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame -- project with elite athleticism at 3-4 DE position
6. OLB Dee Ford, Auburn -- undersized, but with elite passrushing potential
7. S Calvin Pryor, Louisville -- will need work in coverage, but great at eating up space
8. NT Louis Nix, Notre Dame -- if Poe to DE is a serious option, and Nix lasts, this is worth considering
9. WR Allen Robinson, Penn State -- potential to be a really good #2 at the next level
10. OLB Trent Murphy, Stanford -- great passrusher, less than ideal athleticism
11. CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State -- not a great fit for our D, but he can still win me over
12. WR Marquise Lee, USC -- on the verge of removing him from my 1st round board altogether

I would want whoever would help the chiefs pass defense the best

OldSchool 02-24-2014 04:19 AM

Kyle Fuller might sneak past Dennard. A team will take Justin Gilbert ahead of Dennard as well. Which means Dennard might be there for us.

Exoter175 02-24-2014 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10449097)
(a.) Assuming the following players are off the board:

QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
QB Blake Bortles, UCF
QB Johnny Manziel. Texas A&M
QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
OT Greg Robinson, Auburn
OT Tyler Lewan, Michigan
DT/DE Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota
DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
OLB Khalil Mack,Buffalo
OLB Anthony Barr,UCLA
CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
S HaHa Clinton-Dix, Alabama

(b.) And assuming no game-changing FAs are added, and of the departing FAs, we only retain Schwartz.

Here's a comprehensive list right now of who I'd take at 23, in order, as of now:

1. WR Odell Beckham, Jr., LSU -- fantastic playmaker, great YAC guy
3. WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State -- outstanding speed and athleticism, will stretch defenses


Assuming all of the above, I narrowed your list down.

However, I noticed you only had like 17 players "off" the board, are we assuming C.J. Mosley is taken as well? Because if not C.J. Mosley is without a doubt the absolute best pick we can make right there in our position. With how deep this WR class is, and how limited ILB's are, assuming the above with no serious acquisitions to the ILB spot, you have to take Mosley.

Don't get me wrong, I was completely wowed by the two of these receivers in your list yesterday, and I'd probably go as far to say that I'd take Beckham over Cooks hands down at this point, just seemed a bit more polished yesterday and I can see him fitting this offense well.

But, if I'm looking forward for us, especially down the stretch last season, a big problem with our defense was stopping the run and getting burned in the secondary. Once we lost our outside rushers, it was game over. And while the argument could be made to draft a DE/OLB here as well, especially with our glaring need for depth, I think the bigger issue right now was our lack of a solid #2 ILB in this defense. It felt like we really had to lean on Berry to come into the box to get shit done last year, which really left the rest of the secondary hung out to dry down the stretch last year, especially without our edge rushers.

If I'm in the hot seat and I've got the option between the two, I'd have to coin toss this one, but I'd lean towards the safer, smarter pick with Mosley, and then bank on this DEEP WR draft with our 3rd round pick to get a guy like Robinson, who I feel is going to drop considerably after this combine. Could be wrong there, but I have ZERO concern that we'll get some solid receivers in this draft. I'm not sure where you rank a guy like Josh Brown, but what I saw from him yesterday, I'd have zero problems snagging him as early as the 4th round, possibly even with our 3rd rounder if we snagged Mosley, depending on the WR availability there. I feel like Brown could really play a solid slot position/returner here in KC. Especially so if McCluster leaves, I feel like that plays a better judgement in a few months towards what we "will" do.

For reference, I know Josh Brown's draft profile says he's a "priority free agent" on nfl.com and nobody had him ranked very high anywhere prior to the combine, but I feel like he's made a mark and name for himself and launched himself into being drafted. Further, I feel like his draft position will likely be in the 5-7 round range, but could jump up a bit for a team that is needy for a slot receiver and/or returner, IE KC. I'd like to hold off as long as we could on a guy like that to get insane value from the draft pick, but I'd be perfectly content reaching a bit on him if I'm pretty confident he's a solid fit. Only time will tell though.

jonzie04 02-24-2014 08:12 AM

aaron Donald unofficial 4.65. holy ****ing shit that's fast for a dt.

planetdoc 02-24-2014 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10449694)
Have you watched Clarke play?

thankfully draft breakdown has about 4 games of his. ~80 snaps ~1hr of video.
draftbreakdown.com/players/will-clarke/

still think catapano is the better rusher and athlete.

UK_Chief 02-24-2014 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10449699)
My first and third picks I want to see a playmaking WR, TE, pass rusher, safety

Four players from two picks would be awesome! Conjoined twins perhaps?

Direckshun 02-24-2014 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 10449929)
aaron Donald unofficial 4.65. holy ****ing shit that's fast for a dt.

Want.

Need to add him to my 1st pick wishlist.

Scott Wright ‏@DraftCountdown · 1m
Know what I love about Pittsburgh DT Aaron Donald? He's earning it every step of the way. Terrific senior season, Senior Bowl and Combine.

Direckshun 02-24-2014 09:05 AM

So... if Jadaveon Clowney fell to our pick, would you guys take him? LMAO

Direckshun 02-24-2014 09:06 AM

According to the scroll, Dee Ford declared himself better than Clowney on Sirius NFL Radio.

Ford was a medical scratch from the Combine. Rumor is that it was a herniated disc he suffered in 2011...

Direckshun 02-24-2014 09:08 AM

Joe Marino ‏@TheJoeMarino · 3m
Aaron Donald/Will Clarke both displaying superb change of direction ability initially in drills.

Will Clark would be an excellent midrounder for DE.

Direckshun 02-24-2014 09:09 AM

I am dying to see the 3 cone. This is like the ONE drill that actually measures something that translates to an NFL football field.

Edit:

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris · 6m
So no 3-cone for Clowney, per Akbar.

Exoter175 02-24-2014 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10450047)
I am dying to see the 3 cone. This is like the ONE drill that actually measures something that translates to an NFL football field.

Edit:

Josh Norris ‏@JoshNorris · 6m
So no 3-cone for Clowney, per Akbar.

They were just talking about that on NFL Network, I'm not super excited about him skipping that. Bench reps are cute, 40 times are fun, but its the actual drills that matter.


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