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Rumor: Albert to the Dolphins (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=282066)

htismaqe

03-10-2014 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10477220)

Not trying to single you out specifically, but I've seen this argument used lately and it doesn't really hold water.

Using wins and losses to guage a player isnt efficient. Because they didn't win X amount of games, doesn't make Monroe a bad player (or a good player for that matter). Same here with Albert thru all the years we sucked. There is just too much that plays in to wins and losses in the NFL.

It's not an absolute gauge, no.

But when looking at historical trends, it's a valid data set.

htismaqe

03-10-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10477221)

I'm being as critical of all of these rookies as everyone on here is of Fisher and judging them as if they would have been the #1 overall pick.

The only ones who would have truly been a hit at #1 overall as rookies, IMO, would have been Star and Sheldon. Of the 2, Star was the only one that I would have considered at #1. However, that was prior to his heart condition being discovered. After that, I moved him down with the medical red flag because heart conditions concern me.

Again, you're NOT being as critical of them as I and some others are being about Fisher.

It just isn't about now (which is bad for most of them including Fisher) it's about the future.

If it comes down to a toss up between players, you take the player that can have the most impact on wins and losses. That's almost NEVER Eric Fisher.

O.city

03-10-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10477232)

It's not an absolute gauge, no.

But when looking at historical trends, it's a valid data set.

Valid yes, but it would be fairly low .

Eleazar

03-10-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10477223)

they probably thought that they wouldnt be able to sign him longterm and wanted some compensation for him. they also wanted to move Joeckel to LT since he wasnt progressing at RT. injuries happen.

Jacksonville's situation with Monroe was the same as ours with Albert, more or less. He was going into the last year of his deal, and they had already drafted his replacement. The only difference was that they got a suitor when he was shopped.

Monroe isn't any better or worse than Albert, IMO. Jacksonville decided to take a look at Joeckel through camp, then accepted a few late picks for Monroe, whereas we decided to take a year of play and a compensatory pick for Albert.

O.city

03-10-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10477224)

Richardson or Star should have been the pick, using hindsight. Or Vacarro.

Richardson or Star next to Poe would make for a pretty nasty set.

mcaj22

03-10-2014 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10477221)

Again, basing it entirely on their contributions as rookies. Jones wouldn't have started here either, plus he is slow as hell and was a much better run defender than he was a pass rusher.

I'm being as critical of all of these rookies as everyone on here is of Fisher and judging them as if they would have been the #1 overall pick.

The only ones who would have truly been a hit at #1 overall as rookies, IMO, would have been Star and Sheldon. Of the 2, Star was the only one that I would have considered at #1. However, that was prior to his heart condition being discovered. After that, I moved him down with the medical red flag because heart conditions concern me.

Jones was a top 10 pick prior to his back issues coming out.

He also would have GOT a lot of RUN on the Chiefs for like 2 months when our best 2 players on defense got ****ing hurt and we had to trot out Frank Zombo and Desmond Moses. Jones would have pretty much started almost half a season here.

htismaqe

03-10-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10477255)

And we would have had an insurance plan for Hali.

You know, like the insurance plan people want to say Fisher is for Albert.

OldSchool

03-10-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10477219)

You're just making shit up.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...png?1380175155

Am I? That's agains the Raiders.

Don't take my words for it:

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Jaguars LT Luke Joeckel says his broken ankle is not a "career-ending or career-threatening thing."
We're only posting because it's a bit eye-brow raising Joeckel felt the need to say that. Nevertheless, there's no reason to believe he won't be 100 percent for next summer's camp. The No. 2 overall pick of the 2013 draft will be returning from a rookie season where he got dominated in his five-game cup of coffee.

Joeckel wasn't any better than Fisher in his transition to RT as a rookie. People would have hated that pick just as much.

mcaj22

03-10-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10477257)

And we would have had an insurance plan for Hali.

You know, like the insurance plan people want to say Fisher is for Albert.

Right, just like the Steelers did with Woodley, we have to have a pass rusher insurance policy waiting in the wings before we cut Hali. Can't just cut him with nobody behind him, that leaves a massive hole. Zombo and the gang of scrap heap finds behind them are not the answer to this next off season if they find themselves wanting to cut Hali to save ___ million.

OldSchool

03-10-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10477247)

Richardson or Star next to Poe would make for a pretty nasty set.

I would take Reid over Vaccaro honestly. Either would have been a hell of a lot better than Lewis though, that's for sure.

Eleazar

03-10-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10477268)

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...png?1380175155

Am I? That's agains the Raiders.

Don't take my words for it:

Joeckel wasn't any better than Fisher in his transition to RT as a rookie. People would have hated that pick just as much.

I see you can cut and paste from rotoworld. Is that all you've got for us?

You said you were watching him, why don't you tell us what parts of his game need work?

htismaqe

03-10-2014 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10477268)

oeckel wasn't any better than Fisher in his transition to RT as a rookie. People would have hated that pick just as much.

Absolutely. The same flawed logic that lead to taking Fisher can be applied to Joeckel.

Bad pick. Just like Fisher.

OldSchool

03-10-2014 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10477255)

Back issues, yeah, those aren't cause for concern at all. 4.9 40 time at a pro-day? That would have been a 5.0 at the combine. Pedestrian. 30" vert? Pedestrian. 9'3" broad jump? Pedestrian.

It's his pedestrian athleticism that really made him drop, not just his health concerns. Jones had 630 snaps on that Pitt defense, he got all of 1 sack out of those snaps. IMPRESSIVE!:clap:

O.city

03-10-2014 01:59 PM

Any of the pass rushers would have made more sense. I get the Fisher pick, but he damn sure better become a top 10 LT (not RT) in the next year or two or that was a waste.

OldSchool

03-10-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10477275)

I see you can cut and paste from rotoworld. Is that all you've got for us?

You said you were watching him, why don't you tell us what parts of his game need work?

Just used the rotoworld cut to show you that others that aren't homers agreed with me as well. Was our game against the Jags not enough to show you that Joeckel wasn't very good before he got hurt? Let me guess, TAMU fan?

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