Fair enough but I am one that doesn't do that.

If you look at the last 10 years this team is 75-101. They are more likely to go 4-12 than 10-6.

You should go to my non football bitch thread I just started to air those concerns.

My realistic expectation is to win playoff games and compete for a SB.

I hope so but I am not counting on it.

Carl and Herm are long gone. Pioli and Haley and Romeo are long gone. That history is completely unrelated to the decision makers with the team today.

I think they have exceeded expectations, looking at the big picture.

So quickly people forget how bad this team was. Banners, Cassel getting cheered when he got hurt, being a punch line on South Park, the whole Belcher scenario, candy wrappers, constantly getting blown out...this team and franchise was a joke.

They made the win now move (as you pointed out) and have won 20 games in 2 years for a team that only won 29 games in the previous 6 seasons combined.

They have done so while replacing the overrated and overpaid talent we had with younger and cheaper players.

Talent was in place. Piss poor management and coaching doesn't discount when your best players are already on the team and coming into their prime. They won 7 games with ****ing Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton at the helm. Reid got them back on track to win 10 games which is what the team is built for. Its never going to be a Super Bowl contender because of Alex Smith. So we are back to Marty era again, which is fine but don't expect anymore out of it.

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Heh guess I thought I was getting a 1 up on the language nazi police, my bad I submit

Of course we had talent, we had like 6 probowlers on a 2 win team.

Trouble is, that talent was paper thin and outside of maybe 10 players, the team needed to hit the restart button.

Reid and Dorsey identified the guys they saw as the core for the long term building of a contender and is building around them while moving on from everyone else.

So far, it's worked out very well for them.

This team is getting built to be a monster in the playoffs, not like Marty's teams...which were almost always one sided.

I understand how that could apply to some. But keep in mind, Dorsey and Reid have upgraded the talent in all three phases of the game, mostly through the draft but also through the waiver wire (Parker & Jaye Howard come to mind).

They did what was necessary to immediately turn around this franchise in 2013 by trading for a solid, veteran QB. Had they chosen to draft an EJ Manuel or Geno Smith, this team would have been 4-12 at best or 8-24 over the past two seasons, leaving the fans even further disgruntled and apathetic.

Dorsey & Reid's history shows that they will address the QB position but that they'll also be patient in doing so. Meanwhile, the core of this team will continue to ascend through coaching and experience.

IMO, it's no different than what happened in Seattle, although the Chiefs current starter is much better than Tavaris Jackson or (LOL), Charlie Whitehurst.

This team had a handful of talent on defense and Jamaal Charles. That was it. Go look at the 2012 roster and you'll see.

Our WR's sans Bowe weren't good at all.
Our OL sans Hudson and an injury prone Albert wasn't good.
Our TE's sucked
Our DL was okay
Our entire secondary sans Berry and Flowers was absolute garbage.

This team had a ton of holes and only a few very talented players.

And here is the stupid shit that drives posters away.

Whereas this:

Is the evenhanded and substantive discourse that keeps 'em coming back for more, eh?

Clark Hunt is not the decision maker? He is the one that hired and fired all those guys. He doesn't have a very good track record almost 10 years into his ownership. Been pretty much a disaster.

Is he wrong?

LMAOLMAO