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Chiefnj2 11-02-2021 05:53 PM

Leonard Little did the same thing and got a measly 4 years probation and suspended only 8 games

FloridaMan88 11-02-2021 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15930101)
Once again he was drunk and not thinking clearly. Ruining a kids life because of one mistake isn't the best model for society either. This isn't some gangbanger, kid had a bright future.

What about the "ruined life" of the victim who is dead because of his negligent behavior?

ForeverIowan 11-02-2021 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 15929935)
Maybe I'm getting soft in old age, but these days I look at a guy like Ruggs as a kid. And I just keep thinking: how is the world going to become a better place if this kid goes to jail? Isn't it likely that going to jail will just make him worse, potentially dangerous, more likely to do bad things in the future?

Obviously there need to be consequences for actions like this, but I just can't help thinking jail only tends to make things worse for a person who doesn't need to be separate from society for safety reasons.

All I can say is I sincerely hope you arent a parent. This type of attitude is everything that is wrong in this country. Your child spits in his teacher's face and comes home to zero consequence or zero type of authority type of parent. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. A 23 year old girl lost her life because of that shit bag. He deserves everything he has coming his way.

ThyKingdomCome15 11-02-2021 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15930107)
the division is ours

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Henry Ruggs accident: The woman who died was only 23 years old. Cops tell us Ruggs was travelling at a high rate of speed &amp; veered into the lane where the Rav4 was travelling, causing the crash. The woman was trapped in the car when it caught on fire. She was dead on the scene.</p>&mdash; michael j. babcock (@mikejbabcock) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikejbabcock/status/1455672591234977794?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not one to stir the pot but the Chargers have been the bigger threat since day one.

ClevelandBronco 11-02-2021 05:55 PM

This whole terrible nightmare was absolutely caused by his irresponsible decision to drive while intoxicated. He should pay a dear price, and no matter what that price might be in time, dollars or emotional and mental upheaval, he must acknowledge in his heart that it’s unquestionably true that the price he will pay can never in any way be compared to the price his victim paid and that her loved ones will continue to pay.

He owes.

Still, I feel horrible for this young man. We know that reasoning and coping skills aren’t fully developed at his age. This is especially true of males. It’s particularly true of celebrated personalities. Now he has ended a person’s life needlessly, and he’s irretrievably altered the entire nature of his existence.

Yes, people who drink and drive tend to be serial offenders. Yes, we must protect ourselves and we must set standards for others. But we cannot lose our humanity in retribution. We must protect Ruggs as well as punish him.

Bump 11-02-2021 06:11 PM

I don't know all of the facts regarding this. But people are actually arguing that there should be no punishment for killing someone while driving drunk now?

tredadda 11-02-2021 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 15930156)
This whole terrible nightmare was absolutely caused by his irresponsible decision to drive while intoxicated. He should pay a dear price, and no matter what that price might be in time, dollars or emotional and mental upheaval, he must acknowledge in his heart that it’s unquestionably true that the price he will pay can never in any way be compared to the price his victim paid and that her loved ones will continue to pay.

He owes.

Still, I feel horrible for this young man. We know that reasoning and coping skills aren’t fully developed at his age. This is especially true of males. It’s particularly true of celebrated personalities. Now he has ended a person’s life needlessly, and he’s irretrievably altered the entire nature of his existence.

Yes, people who drink and drive tend to be serial offenders. Yes, we must protect ourselves and we must set standards for others. But we cannot lose our humanity in retribution. We must protect Ruggs as well as punish him.

Agreed, but I haven't seen anyone yet advocating life in prison or the death penalty. He does need to spend time behind bars (not the ones that serve alcohol) though. He should not get off with a slap on the wrist either. Vick spent time in prison for dog fighting. If Ruggs does not that say a lot about society and what lives they truly feel are valuable.

Bump 11-02-2021 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 15930156)
This whole terrible nightmare was absolutely caused by his irresponsible decision to drive while intoxicated. He should pay a dear price, and no matter what that price might be in time, dollars or emotional and mental upheaval, he must acknowledge in his heart that it’s unquestionably true that the price he will pay can never in any way be compared to the price his victim paid and that her loved ones will continue to pay.

He owes.

Still, I feel horrible for this young man. We know that reasoning and coping skills aren’t fully developed at his age. This is especially true of males. It’s particularly true of celebrated personalities. Now he has ended a person’s life needlessly, and he’s irretrievably altered the entire nature of his existence.

Yes, people who drink and drive tend to be serial offenders. Yes, we must protect ourselves and we must set standards for others. But we cannot lose our humanity in retribution. We must protect Ruggs as well as punish him.

he should be punished the same as anyone else would be in the same situation. Not made an example of and not let off easy because he can play ball. The same as any other American.

wazu 11-02-2021 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 15930156)
This whole terrible nightmare was absolutely caused by his irresponsible decision to drive while intoxicated. He should pay a dear price, and no matter what that price might be in time, dollars or emotional and mental upheaval, he must acknowledge in his heart that it’s unquestionably true that the price he will pay can never in any way be compared to the price his victim paid and that her loved ones will continue to pay.

He owes.

Still, I feel horrible for this young man. We know that reasoning and coping skills aren’t fully developed at his age. This is especially true of males. It’s particularly true of celebrated personalities. Now he has ended a person’s life needlessly, and he’s irretrievably altered the entire nature of his existence.

Yes, people who drink and drive tend to be serial offenders. Yes, we must protect ourselves and we must set standards for others. But we cannot lose our humanity in retribution. We must protect Ruggs as well as punish him.

Ultimately what may have the biggest bearing will be whether or not the injuries that Ruggs sustained himself are career altering. Let's assume none of it is. If that's the case he'll probably do 2 years in prison. After all the trial stuff and him getting out, he'll be 24-25. A year of physical training and rehab to get ready. Do the media tour of changed man, new life, etc. Get on a team at age 26 for league minimum that will be what...$1 million? Play well and get a few contracts in the low millions that pay him into his 30s for a full years. If money is managed well he retires comfortably by the time he's 35.

It's a helluva lot better than most people who kill a person while driving drunk have it.

Red Dawg 11-02-2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 15930181)
I don't know all of the facts regarding this. But people are actually arguing that there should be no punishment for killing someone while driving drunk now?

Hell no. Prison!

ClevelandBronco 11-02-2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15930182)
Agreed, but I haven't seen anyone yet advocating life in prison or the death penalty. He does need to spend time behind bars (not the ones that serve alcohol) though. He should not get off with a slap on the wrist either. Vick spent time in prison for dog fighting. If Ruggs does not that say a lot about society and what lives they truly feel are valuable.

IMHO, it would be a travesty if he doesn’t do substantial time in prison.

As long as I’m in here, I’ll say that there are hidden victims in addition to the deceased and her loved ones. The people close to Ruggs must be devastated. I’m sure they have no idea what to think or do or say at this moment. I hope they will have access to the support they’ll need.

So much devastation generated in a split second.

GloucesterChief 11-02-2021 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15930107)
the division is ours

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Henry Ruggs accident: The woman who died was only 23 years old. Cops tell us Ruggs was travelling at a high rate of speed &amp; veered into the lane where the Rav4 was travelling, causing the crash. The woman was trapped in the car when it caught on fire. She was dead on the scene.</p>&mdash; michael j. babcock (@mikejbabcock) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikejbabcock/status/1455672591234977794?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hope she died of smoke inhalation because burning to death is a really bad way to go.

PAChiefsGuy 11-02-2021 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 15930181)
I don't know all of the facts regarding this. But people are actually arguing that there should be no punishment for killing someone while driving drunk now?

Of course there should be punishment but the people calling for him to crucified need to relax.

He didn't go out with the intention of killing this kid, it happened due to an unfortunate decision a man made when he was highly intoxicated. This isn't a first-degree murder case and it shouldn't be treated as such.

Pablo 11-02-2021 06:29 PM

Riggs really took being a Raider to heart. He will surely have a home field advantage in prison.

Marcellus 11-02-2021 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 15930207)
IMHO, it would be a travesty if he doesn’t do substantial time in prison.

As long as I’m in here, I’ll say that there are hidden victims in addition to the deceased and her loved ones. The people close to Ruggs must be devastated. I’m sure they have no idea what to think or do or say at this moment. I hope they will have access to the support they’ll need.

So much devastation generated in a split second.

Yup. Everyone tries to make every argument binary.

Its possible to realize the main victim here is the young lady who is dead and also understand the heartbreak that both families are going through. Rugg's mom didn't cause this, or his daughter who is too young to know but will eventually.

1 life ended 1 life ruined and 2 families hurting over something that didn't have to happen. :shake:

I feel really bad for the victim, doesn't mean I cant feel some empathy for Ruggs and his family as well. And he will and should go to prison.


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