Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 6802555)

How is Missouri going to get its ass kicked in the Big Ten in football?

Who has been consistently better over the past 10 years, Texas and Oklahoma or oSu and Michigan? That's an easy call. I'll take the trio at the top over the duo that runs the Big 12 any day.

Missouri would have played for a national title in 2007 if it was in the Big Ten.

Missouri will slide right into the second tier of programs in the Big Ten, right along with Iowa and Wisconsin (and likely Nebraska for at least a few more years).

The Tigers will have more success in St. Louis. And I like their chances recruiting against MWC programs in KC...

Missouri football is going to be on TV more (especially in state). It is going to earn much more money from the conference. And it will have better footprint in other areas (Ohio, Michigan, even Florida, which has a strong Big Ten presence).

That adds up to a potential improvement.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802573)

lol, night guys

Been fun!

http://johngibbonscomedy.com/images/KUncaa2008.jpg

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802576)

Homer much?

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6802590)

That street looks so much better burning and littered with dead assholes.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802606)

As hard as you tried you failed and will always fail to defeat our spirit.

Tradition, Class, and Excellence. Three things Missouri has tried to achieve for over 100 years yet you still find yourself as small as ever.

I will pray for you as you basically pick up your ball and leave to a conference who cares nothing for your skill but rather your geography and population. Take it with you knowing that with all your hate and all your jealously we will be going to sleep tonight knowing what's right.

I hope this knowledge finds you as well one day.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6802590)

That street looks so much better burning and littered with dead assholes.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802606)

As hard as you tried you failed and will always fail to defeat our spirit.

Tradition, Class, and Excellence. Three things Missouri has tried to achieve for over 100 years yet you still find yourself as small as ever.

I will pray for you as you basically pick up your ball and leave to a conference who cares nothing for your skill but rather your geography and population. Take it with you knowing that with all your hate and all your jealously we will be going to sleep tonight knowing what's right.

I hope this knowledge finds you as well one day.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802643)

MU brings so much more to the Big 10 table than KU would it isn't even close; why you would try to bag on their program when they got asked to the party and you didn't is beyond me.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802643)

MU brings so much more to the Big 10 table than KU would it isn't even close; why you would try to bag on their program when they got asked to the party and you didn't is beyond me.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802643)

MU brings so much more to the Big 10 table than KU would it isn't even close; why you would try to bag on their program when they got asked to the party and you didn't is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6802657)

Besides stuff that's out of the control of each university, like TV markets, why would any conference want Mizzou over Kansas?

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802651)

They bring population.

Why is this so hard for you guys to understand?

I'm confused.

Kansas is a smaller state and splits itself with another major university. No one ever said otherwise.

How you can't understand this is beyond me.

You honestly think Missouri has a more accomplished athletic program than Kansas? Do you really think that? Because if you do then I can't help you, sorry.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6802657)

Besides stuff that's out of the control of each university, like TV markets, why would any conference want Mizzou over Kansas?

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802430)

I've actually stated in another thread that I'd be fine with KU joining the MWC.

Boise St, TCU, Utah, BYU are all good to great football programs. You'd think that if Boise and KU/KSU join they will surely be elevated to BCS status...

It will just be weird to not play Neb, MU, and OK year in and year out. And for what? Money that none of the fans will ever see? I don't get it.

I still find it hard to believe that Tex would join the Pac-10 btw.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802672)

Additional Big10 Network subscribers are very important when considering additions to the conference.

meaningless nonsense snipped.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6802657)

Besides stuff that's out of the control of each university, like TV markets, why would any conference want Mizzou over Kansas?

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802672)

Additional Big10 Network subscribers are very important when considering additions to the conference.
Also important are a widely rounded out athletic program, academic and research standing, facilities, infrastructure and brand appeal.

Hot chicks and a mimimum of whiny-assed fans also factor in.


Research indicates that MU satisfies these requirements mor than KU would.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6802678)

Edited for truthfulness.

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 6802674)

Where's my $25,000??????? :D

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802691)

:D KU butthurt coming out huge. The coming shake is going to change things but I think it will end up better for most. KU doesn't need the Big10 or any power conference for that matter. They will get their invite in March every year and then conference doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802687)

Well in this years US and World Report ranked the schools like this:

96. University of Kansas
96. University of Nebraska

102. University of Missouri

So you're wrong. Try again.

It's number of cable subscribers. That's all. Where did you go to school? You should try and get your money back.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6802698)

When you're trying to put together a credible football program, conference matters.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802699)

:D I'm an Iowa Hawkeye, you know, from that conference that doesn't want you.

This whole left-home-on-friday-night thing is getting to some of you. Why do you take it so personal? It's just business.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802699)

:D I'm an Iowa Hawkeye, you know, from that conference that doesn't want you.

This whole left-home-on-friday-night thing is getting to some of you. Why do you take it so personal? It's just business.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6802709)

Dude you are arguing with a dumbass who thinks a) college basketball makes more money than college football and b) said the MWC would be better for KU than the Big Ten.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802681)

You can't separate market share from the equation; market share is one of the key factors. I'm sorry that KU fans are facing conference limbo, I can see this isn't sittint well with some KY people.
I don't mean to offen you, I'm looking at this from a Big10 point of view. It feels very strange to be letting any other schools in and I'm very interested in maintaining the look and feel of the conference.
Hell I still look at Penn State as the new kid on the block and deep down don't truly see them as Big 10.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802722)

provided the MWC is elevated to BCS status

Originally Posted by chiefsfan987 (Post 6802732)

Doesn't St. Louis already have the Big Ten network? If they do, then adding Missouri doesn't really add you much in terms of tv sets. If I'm the Big Ten I'd go east because you're really only adding the Kansas City market if you already have your network on tv's in St. Louis.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802738)

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802757)

Boise St., TCU, Utah, Kansas, BYU, Kansas St.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802757)

Boise St., TCU, Utah, Kansas, BYU, Kansas St.

Aren't there already 3 BCS winners in there? Why wouldn't they raise it up?

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802764)

Why would they? There's not reason to, especially with the other major conferences getting more concentrated.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6802760)

History awaits.

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6802476)

ya, that's it.


ROFL


i think DJ's right nut also contained the brain.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802777)

That's fair.

We have "win something, ANYTHING" and you have "history awaits"...

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802764)

Why would they? There's not reason to, especially with the other major conferences getting more concentrated.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6802724)

Eh, you said "MU brings so much more to the Big 10 table than KU would it isn't even close," so I wanted to know how that was true... if St. Louis is that important to the BTN or a school that doesn't share its state with another D-I university, etc; so be it..... just own up to that. Whenever I see overall academic ratings, MU and KU are always close to each other... if there are specific things the Big 10 is looking for that MU does better, like research or whatever, then I'd be curious to know what those things are.

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6802800)

The MWC is pretty close to earning an automatic BCS bid without the theoretical addition of current BCS institutions. I don't think it's a stretch to see it becoming a permanent auto bid with those schools.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6802760)

History awaits.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802803)

Source?

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6802349)

All depends on whether or not they have a concrete invite from the Big 10. If they do, then if the Big 12 gives an ultimatum they go ahead and bail to the Big 10. But if they don't then things get a little more dicey ... especially for Nebraska.

The only real reason Nebraska is getting an invite is because the Big 10 is a heavy football conference and Nebraska has a big football history. Also it looks like Nebraska might be improving their football back to being big time again. If Nebraska calls the Big 12 bluff and Notre Dame joins the Big 10 or something, Nebraska is screwed and screwed hard. Other conferences that aren't as heavy duty football as the Big 10 won't place as much value in Nebraska's main calling card.

Mizzou has a broader value than that so they can probably find a BCS conference on their own because they have St. Louis. Mizzou is all about having a 2-city market ... without St. Louis they have pretty much Jack and shit with Jack getting ready to leave town.

Still ... if they haven't received a concrete invite to the Big 10 they take a significant risk by calling the Big 12 bluff. This is what the Big 12 is shooting for imo ... play the bluff and hope 1 or both of the teams would rather stay in the Big 12 than risk getting caught out in the independent wind.

just sayin'

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6802799)

Anything? Ok.

The Big XII North, which you might NEVER win. Ever. Eternity. Now go tell Texas who your daddy is.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6802709)

Dude you are arguing with a dumbass who thinks a) college basketball makes more money than college football and b) said the MWC would be better for KU than the Big Ten.

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6802807)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5123705
http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_14940182

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802815)

I wouldn't want to be outside looking in.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802815)

:) Not arguing, just having fun while waiting for my frigging pool to clear out. Guy had to come shock it today.
Looks like the conference realignment is creating some real angst among some schools. I can uderstand why, I wouldn't want to be outside looking in.

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6802807)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5123705
http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_14940182

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802715)

So call Iowa and ask them to refund you.

How many times do I have to repeat this? I don't want KU to go to the Big 10. Nor do I ever expect them to be asked.

Stop inventing complaints to make your argument make sense.

You sound reeruned when you do that.

just sayin

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6802799)

Anything? Ok.

The Big XII North, which you might NEVER win. Ever. Eternity. Now go tell Texas who your daddy is.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802826)

Both those points have been proven incorrect.

Won't it be great when Kansas and Boise St. and claiming automatic BCS bids when Missouri and Iowa are finishing 8 and 9 in the new Big 10?

It would be so fitting.

Hope your pool gets clean. Gonna be a hot summer!

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6802840)

If Boise State joins plus KU Kstate and Iowa State join the MWC they should turn into an automatic bid conference.

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802815)

:) Not arguing, just having fun while waiting for my frigging pool to clear out. Guy had to come shock it today.
Looks like the conference realignment is creating some real angst among some schools. I can uderstand why, I wouldn't want to be outside looking in.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802847)

Also, I hate to break this to you. But Kansas does technically share the Big 12 North division title with Missouri in 2007. This wasn't Kansas' decision but the Big 12 gave them a trophy anyway.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6802851)

All the speculation is really funny, and how people have run with it and realigned the whole nation before even one domino falls. Yeah, of course I'd rather see the Big 12 stay together than see KU end up in the MWC or CUSA, but until the B12 actually dissolves and KU is looking for a conference, I don't think I'll worry about it.

Hell, they could end up in the SEC. LMAO


(that last sentence was sarcasm, resident SEC guy)

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6802851)

All the speculation is really funny, and how people have run with it and realigned the whole nation before even one domino falls. Yeah, of course I'd rather see the Big 12 stay together than see KU end up in the MWC or CUSA, but until the B12 actually dissolves and KU is looking for a conference, I don't think I'll worry about it.

Hell, they could end up in the SEC. LMAO


(that last sentence was sarcasm, resident SEC guy)

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6802840)

If Boise State joins plus KU Kstate and Iowa State join the MWC they should turn into an automatic bid conference.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802838)

Interesting, but sounds very conflicting to me:

BCS executive director Bill Hancock was hesitant Wednesday to say the MWC, which has placed Utah and TCU in the Bowl Championship Series the last two seasons, was on course to become the seventh automatic qualifying conference.


But he did tell the conference commissioners and athletic directors gathered here this week for meetings that they should be aware of the strides the Mountain West has made toward earning an automatic bid.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6802851)

Hell, they could end up in the SEC. LMAO


(that last sentence was sarcasm, resident SEC guy)

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6802855)

Wow, just wow.

Did losing that final game kind of lessen that "trophy" for you?

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802849)

For what reason? Sympathy? Charity? Pity?

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802863)

Adding 3 teams that never contend for their current conference's championship and a 4th that has had success against weak competition warrants a BCS auto-bid?

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6802872)

Nope because both KU and Boise State have won BCS bowl games (multiple for Boise State).

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802863)

Adding 3 teams that never contend for their current conference's championship and a 4th that has had success against weak competition warrants a BCS auto-bid?

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802863)

Adding 3 teams that never contend for their current conference's championship and a 4th that has had success against weak competition warrants a BCS auto-bid?

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6802877)

Kstate has been in the conference championship twice and Boise State won 2 BCS bowl games.... easy enough for you?

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6802884)

I've got a Big 12 champion t-shirt that says otherwise.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802878)

So? All that means is that teams can win BCS bowl games without being in a BCS conference. It doesn't mean any conference that contains 2 teams who have won a BCS game should get an auto-bid.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802889)

oh yeah, and didn't Utah beat the shit out of a decent SEC team?

this is so fun.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802885)

The last time being 7 years ago.

So what if BSU has won BCS games? Doesn't mean their conference deserves an auto-bid.

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6802809)

The greater the risk, the greater the reward....usually. I say take the gamble. I'm kind of uneducated on all of this though.

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6802895)

Big East doesn't deserve one.. Notre Dame doesn't deserve one.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802898)

I agree.

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802889)

oh yeah, and didn't Utah beat the shit out of a decent SEC team?

this is so fun.

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6802900)

So you give them to a conference that has teams that actually deserve one.

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6802897)

yea ... but this isn't just taking a risk for yourself. This is putting an entire university at risk and millions of dollars. Not a risk anyone should take lightly.

what happens if something goes wrong and you have to start firing teachers because the income of the school takes a sudden drop?

you don't play monopoly with real jobs of real people with real families.

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802892)

What's your point?