The 55 mph speed limit had very little, if any, benefit irt saving fuel and lives in the 20 years it was implemented. It was a waste of time the first go around that was widely ignored by motorists and the states.

You know what did have significant impacts on both of those things? Advancements in engineering and design that not only makes cars more efficient than they were in 1975 when the law was enacted, but much more safer. Dropping the highway speed limits won't make cars burn less gas, and in some cases where cars are engineered to be more efficient at speeds higher than 55 mph, would actually make them burn more.

Lol. Let me know when the price drops about 3.00/gal, THEN you can talk to us about "good news".

Stay home then.

Most fuel usage is overcoming wind resistance which goes up exponentially as speed increases. I disagree... But science and stuff...

Wikipedia is not my favorite place however for some things a fairly good source...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_%28physics%29

Going twice the speed requires 8 time the power... Driving into a headwind should give you better fuel economy, right?

Right, and have you looked at how angular most cars are these days? Even SUVs are rounded off and designed to cut through the air resistance better.

I’m just going by my own experience with my car, a 2015 Mustang GT, that I mostly drive on highways. My mileage is best in the 70-80 mph range.

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There's just no pleasing you people.

Cars are designed to get better fuel economy at higher speeds than in the 70's.

You mean compared to a lower speed?

**** driving 55
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And stay out of the left lane!!!

All I can say is that given that the profile of the car doesn't change at any given speed, power is relative to work/time... you are increasing the work and decreasing the time. And cubing a number tends to make it increase fast.

Not sure what they are teaching kids today.

And yes, I only drive in the left lane while passing...

If cars get better mileage at higher speeds, why does driving into the wind reduce gas mileage? After all, this is what your claim is.

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Dont come to Minnesota. JFC these people need to learn how to drive.

Under normal conditions, no, vehicles don't get better MPG at higher speeds. Quite the opposite. That would be some cool physics, though.

Now, if you're cruising along at 55 MPH in a low gear pulling 5,000 RPM, you probably have the same MPG as you would in your biggest gear at 75 MPH and 2,500 RPM. But... why?

Sorry, but that just cannot be true. Physics and stuff. The higher your speed, the more work required by the engine, and the more wind resistance you will face.

I saw it at $3.39 today! I love you Donger!

I reset the MPG average in my Jeep once right before coming down the hill on I-70 eastbound after climbing Floyd's Hill. Put it in neutral and the average was something like 60 MPG by the time I got to the bottom.

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I mean in a (no homo) sort of way.

I've heard that diesel makes pretty good lube. Unconfirmed, at least by me.

Anyway, if we can move on past Bugeater's Donger-love...

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/driveHabits.jsp

You can put in your vehicle's information and get how much you save based on lower speed. Or, how much more you pay based on higher speeds, of course.

$5.37/gal at 80mph in my TrailBlazer...I ****ing hate you Donger.

WTF...80 in the Camaro actually cost more, and it has less displacement, manual transmission and is way more aerodynamic. That's unpossible!

"What is the penalty for my car?" ...jeez. Nice site though.

Mine is +$4.80 per 100 miles between 55 and 80, or +$2/gallon.

That's a speed tax I can live with (well, especially since you'd probably die on I-17 if you were only going 55).

70 to 80 is only another dollar/gallon. :shrug:

Does this "Camaro" use premium fuel?

LMAO We all get outraged when gas nears $4/gal, then we see what it cost at 80mph....meh, totally worth it.

I don't use ethanol blend in it, if that's what you mean.

My fun car...

$7.44 @ 80 MPH. $5.83 @ 65 MPH.

LMAO

It isn't.

Well it's premium to me because it's more expensive.

Next time you fill up your car (which I hope is soon and often), look at the labels on the three selections (assumption). Regular, Mid-Range and Premium or some variation of those. That's based on octane ratings.

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I'm pretty sure the QuikTrip I normally go to only has one flavor that doesn't have ethanol, not sure if it's the highest octane or not. And I rarely fill the tank on that car, I've only put about 2,000 miles on it in the 2 1/2 years I've owned it.

What's your issue with ethanol?

Heh, well it's still all relative.

I can get ~360 miles/tank... and a tank would cost $39 at $3/gallon and $52 at $4/gallon.

So, at $3/gallon, it's an extra $3.6 to drive 360 miles at 80mph instead of 65.
At $4/gallon, it's an extra $4.9.

Compared to the $13 extra at the tank, a few extra dollars doesn't really matter.... especially considering my sanity of driving that closely with other people.

I was on I-17 in PHX last week, yet again. I hate that stretch of road with a passion...

I've been told it can be hard on fuel systems in older vehicles.

Support the Ukraines buy more gas.

How old? I've heard that any ethanol can be damaging to small engines (e.g., lawn mowers, leaf blowers). Not sure why and I'm not sure it's true. And that E85 will cause damage to the hoses in non-E85 engines and fuel systems, but not 10%

Ethanol also contains less energy than gasoline, so you do lose some mileage/gallon. But Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, so higher performance and power.

Missourians will only be refunded on the 2.5 cent increase per gallon, and not the entire fuel tax. Additionally, only Missouri motor fuel vehicles weighing less than 26,000 pounds for highway use will be eligible.

To get refunded from the state, the process is not as simple as mailing in the receipts.

According to the Department of Revenue's website, a refund claim form will be available on the department's website prior to July 1, 2022. It is also working on an online system to submit refunds.

The form can be submitted from July 1 through Sept. 30, 2022.

Love that song and I lived by it at the time. If the roads are clear with no ice, I still haul ass most of the time. I have to drive from Billings into WY and into onto Denver once in awhile. A good radar detector is worth it's weigh in gold. I haven't had a ticket in 30 years and that's not because I drive the speed limit.

The biggest problem with Phoenix drivers IMO is despite signs every ****ing 10 feet, no one seems to understand the carpool lane is only the carpool lane during certain times M-F and will tailgate you at 80mph because they don't think they're allowed to move one lane over.

It's a '96. Years ago I had a '94 Caravan that developed leaks at the fuel rail connections and was told that it was because automakers weren't engineering cars for ethanol back then. Could be an urban myth type thing...who really knows. I do believe it's bad for small engines though, I ruined 3 carburetors on a riding lawnmower by using ethanol.

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Ethanol has less lubricity than normal gas. By a mile.
Best way I can describe it is this.
Non Ethanol = 5000 grit lapping compound
Ethanol gas= 120 grit sandpaper
Then add in the H2O from Ethanol and you have a very abrasive fule.

We have this now with Diesel, thanks to a certain NO NAME removing the sulfur content. I can get around this by adding a bottle of Automatic Transmission fluid to a full tank of Diesel.
No can do with a gas engine.

And it's very true Donger.
Never run that shit Ethanol in a small engine or any engine that is naturally aspirated = carburetor, throttle body

Of course I understand this... my comment was about the claim that their car gets better mileage at higher speeds. So... negative drag coefficient? Meaning if you drove fast enough, you would fill the tank with gasoline.

I had someone, who had never driven at 55, tell me that same story about how their car was 'designed' to get better mileage at higher speeds. It's true that cars today are designed to have less drag however, that doesn't change anything. It's all about the amount of work you do in the amount of time. The profile of the car doesn't change (yet) with speed.

Alcohol blended fuels cause major issues in older engines. The fuel system components, many made of rubber, are dried out by the alcohol. In boats and other vehicles which can sit for extended periods, the ethanol can phase separate and absorb water. For an old 2-cycle outboard, which uses a pre-mix fuel, this is death as the alcohol/water mixture will burn and will have no oil.

Anyways... high gasoline prices stink...

I remember when it came out and essentially i give it most credit for states to up the speed limit to 65mph. I think that's cool to ROCK AND ROLL :rockon:

The song was released in the 80s, the speed limit law was lifted in 1995...

Still one of my favorites and gets cranked whenever I hear it.

Cool, thanks.

I've always run ethanol-blended gasoline in my small motor and have never had any issues.

Naturally-aspirated has nothing to do with carburetor versus fuel injection.

It was all your fault, now you wanna sweep in and play the hero? Not gonna happy Zedong.

It’s up to 6.00 where I live now.

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If it's good for NASCAR good enough for me and cheaper. I've had my Chev Tahoe over ten years and pulled out a Ford pickup with duel back wheels stuck in the river bed. I like to brag about that. The truck has been a beast I'm wanting to sell it or something, only a few bullet holes, and I replaced back window with Plexiglas. The two passenger windows I have to keep duct taped to stay up. Driver door handle is busted but all and all the motor has been good. I don't know what to ask for but the bullet holes does give it street cred value.

My dad has a 1924 Oakland. When it was built there was no ethanol. Thankfully there are a few places like QT where we can get the right fuel.

You realize those engines are only used one time and then completely rebuilt or thrown away.

Every late model/modified car at your local dirt speedway is running alcohol.

Held steady at 4.19 over the weekend

Crude presently at $101/barrel.

I just filled up for $4.09 a gallon this morning using my .10 off fuel points at Kroger. I feel like a budgeting genius!

Yeah, ok so what is your point? Those are not rebuilt or thrown away after every race like Nascar as he was comparing. Either way, those are still not dependent on for everyday driving as there is always another vehicle there to get you back home which brought all those cars to the tracks which run on the fuels that they were designed to use for long-term use and dependability.

$70 to fill up the Challenger this morning. That one sucked.

Exactly.

My neighbor was a sprint car owner/driver. He ran ethanol in his racers, he didn't in any of his other vehicles, for reasons that have already been explained.

$4.05 for premium at Costco today. Drove right up to an empty pump and laughed at the 10 cards waiting because they didn't want to pull the hose to the other side of the car.

Driving to eastern TN for my son's wedding might cost me more than a round trip flight to Bonaire! Dang!!!!!!!

Gas tumbled briefly below $100 today. It was $130 a barrel just a week ago, right? When gas prices went up a couple of $’s they raises the prices at the pump immediately. The price drops 20%-30% and no one is seeing a drop at the pumps.

Can someone who understands the market explain why the price of a barrel of oil goes up, the local gas station raises the prices despite that same gas has been in then tank for a long time. But when the barrel price drops, it doesn’t drop at the gas pump. Why?

OOH! Donger will take that question, it's one of his favorites!

gas prices are still ****ing going up, the rate at which has slowed down sure but it's still like 3-5 cents a day.

Refiners are greedy, too.

Because they can...

Like when fuel went up after Katrina and airlines started charging higher rates and extra for baggage. Neither of which went down.

The price goes up immediately because they need to buy gasoline to replace what is currently being sold at a higher price. Which I understand however, I have never heard a compelling reason why the opposite is not true.

Other than they just can and do, do it... It's a fixed market with a constant demand, they can pretty much screw us as much as they want because there is no alternative. Asymmetric Price Adjustment. Because there is no competition, it doesn't behave like a normal consumer market. I found data that says it takes about 4 weeks for the price to go up fully and 8 weeks to come back down.

Or for the same reason cable companies will entice new customers with all sorts of promotions yet will force existing customers to call and haggle to get a better deal.

Gasoline down to $4.31/gallon. Crude is trading at $94.01/barrel, down 8.4%

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And the rapid rise in gasoline prices has stopped, at least for now.

No, they aren't. At least not the national average.

Because of hedging.

Basically Producers and Refiners buy product at agreed price, these contracts are between 1-3 years and margin dictates profits

yeah I'm sorry the national average isn't exactly on my mind when I'm driving past the same gas stations every day(though I haven't yet driven by them today tbf) and the prices are still creeping up. Sucks being behind the curve I guess.

I can't wait for this summer to hit and really watch it spike.


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Ummm... petroleum jelly.

Even the cost of getting ****ed is getting worse!

Very true, but it should help ease the pain.

I get the greed. That’s our system. Personally since I got my Shaker, I don’t care about gas prices. Whatever they charge, I’ll pay. But there are a lot that do care. going up a dime makes a huge difference, especially independent truckers. They spend all that time away from the families and then they get their profit margins squeezed big time.

Supply and Demand at work. Except prices have dropped 30% in a week but the price here at the local pumps hadn’t declined much. They have laws down here in Florida about jacking up prices after a crisis aka hurricanes. They are serious about enforcement too. Put people in jail, not just fines. Why can’t this apply?

that makes sense. It’s worth whatever someone is willing to pay. I’d bet those who work and own those companies want stability, correct? Instability is bad for business, right?

When the price of crude goes through the roof, gasoline prices will as well. That's not price gouging.

Had to gas up the Camaro today, $4.04 for non-ethanol blend. Go **** yourself Donger.