The thing is, a lot of the environment you are from plays into that.

Actually this is what I believe as well but the "people with knowledge" have gotten it to the point that the child was beaten, broke his arm, had welts and bruises and God knows what other abuse.

IF it is true and until it comes from a LEGIT source...

No doubt.

The cycle must be broken.

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No, I'm saying if the abuse was as bad as stated, they should press charges on both parents and get to the bottom of it, the DA was ambiguous in his briefing and many folks, including radio personalities are reading much more into this case with ambiguous statements. From what I understand there were different family members alone and in complete control of the child over several periods of time as well, so you don't know if it was the parents or another close family member. That's why it doesn't make logical sense in a high profile case like this to charge the parents.

I wasn't pointing at Hill with that post. It's just my opinion on discipline in general.

They know how did it that’s probably obvious, but some families stick together even in the shittiest situations.

I mean, it would be extremely hard for me to snitch on my wife. Terrible situation for sure.

Proof? If they had proof that joke of a news conference would have been about an arrest and description of charges.

Like it or not no charges, if they really believed they had a case you dont quit investigating. You keep digging gathering information till you have something to charge on. Like it or not they are innocent till proven guilty. As detestable as child abuse is its not worth turning the rule of law upside down and go back to the days of frontier justice.

Which is exactly what I chose. Just because I turned out alright doesn't justify abuse of kids by parents.

Hard to legitimately leak sealed documents. Some shitbag will leak it secretively.

IF Hill did this, he's gone. Immediately.

I've been a Chiefs fan since 1980 when I moved to Missouri. I was 8.

Nobody wants to win a Super Bowl more than I do.

We'd better draft 2 WR tomorrow.

I agree. If all of a sudden was told by my son that abuse was occurring, I'd probably just leave and not call the cops.

That sounds pretty short sighted seeing the other needs of this team...and rookie WR's rarely do shit.

If everything stays where it is now and honestly it should because juvenile shit is sealed, he'll still be here.

Exactly. If that bad of a crime occurred you keep leaning on the suspects until you get one to talk and digging for facts until you get to the bottom of it. No self-respecting cop I know would give up that easy especially when it comes to child abuse.

The Chiefs are turning into the Bengals with a better QB.

Sure, it was a very public case of a very public individual. But, there should have been a press release of a will not be prosecuted letter. A press conference was designed to convict him in the court of public opinion and or promote the DA's political ambitions.

So the leaker is a shitbag?

How about the abuser(s)?

Guaranteed info will come out. Today’s society thrives on scandal.

I think you've been watching too much CSI.

Also, what if it was a matter of a passionate mistake?

Like, maybe you aren't abusive, but maybe your kid is acting up and misbehaving and you grab his arm to reprimand him and he pulls and twists while you pull.... and snap.

You and your spouse know in your heart of hearts that it was truly not intended to be malicious and that you love your child more than anything. Even though you both know you ****ed up in college and have worked through your issues, publicly and privately. You've rebuilt your life from ashes.

And then, the in-laws, who you have a terrible relationship with, catch wind and call the cops.

How do you handle this?

That question continues to be answered by the Chiefs organization on a daily basis. The things is, they got burned in the Hunt situation, and as a result they seem to be paralyzed in this one. I suspect they’d be relieved in a way if the NFL stepped in and took it out of their hands.

Agreed...

The way they decide to build the roster will be fascinating now that Hill is likely not in the long term plans. I know that Pat can get the most out of any WR, but I never want to enter a season feeling like we haven’t given him enough help around him. That’s the #1 priority every year for me. Have a solid OL and a few weapons so that the offense can remain a top 5-ish unit.

I doubt we ever see him throw for 50 and 5K again to be honest. Whether it be because they never have weapons like that again, or simply because the need for points isn’t quite as high due to having a competent defense unlike in 2018.

Their best bet to win multiple Super Bowls is probably to build a strong defense that can carry its own weight year after year, even if it means an offense that drops down a bit from 2018.

What happens when she gains custody of the kids? You missed your opportunity to build evidence against her.

Holy shit people. The DA didn't even have enough evidence to charge anyone, but some of you have decided to convict him anyway.

1972 - High Five

OR a TE and a WR?

4 people know.

We are just discussing what makes the most sense.

It's not short sighted at all; it's saying there's football, and there are things bigger than football.

We'd better be on the phone calling around and trying to find a veteran WR, and/or we'd better draft a couple.

We took him in with a HUGE red flag. IF we reasonably believe he did this, we need to cut him. **** football.

Are you really going to feel good about cheering for him on Sundays? I don't. I really would prefer to actually enjoy this run.

They don't have to be choir boys...but this is not okay. IF there is anything to what is being said from sources.

But he is abusive, so why bother asking all the other stuff?

Huh? He said it was a matter of who not if...he said a crime had been committed.

Yep, the league will suspend him. Probably for failure to cooperate with the investigation of child abuse. Our players are held to a higher standard or some other NFL cover our ass and pretend we really care BS.


The Chiefs will keep him. But, his $100 million contract aint coming anytime soon.

Exactly. As an example, just look how the SJW's here are reacting. The lynch-mob is out in full force. :rolleyes:

Did the kid trip and fall into a belt rack as well?

Yea if it was simply a matter of either Hill or Crystal abused the kid and they weren't sure which, it seems pretty easy to charge both parents with neglect and or abuse and go from there. I mean I would hope that's the typical standard.

Most sense based on info you don't have in totality....

The Chiefs have told you with everything they've done unless there is clear proof..he'll still be here. Look at their moves, Hunt would probably still be here had he told them what he did.

Maybe this is just my experience, but my 3 year old son is very hyperactive and I never have to spank him.

When he is being crazy and acting up, I take away the iPad and/or his favorite toys and that sends the message real quick.

Again maybe that’s just my experience, but Tyreek needs serious help if what Duncan wrote is true.

I agree.

No, but I do know that certain criminals trigger cops more than others and child abusers and pedophiles are really high on the list for almost all of them

How would anyone on this ****ing board know anything about 4 people and what they may or may not know?


Theorycrafting out of your ass is not productive.

He cost himself money and probably at least a year of playing on the tag...but odds are he stays.

That's kind of what I think. Charge them both and whomever else might be suspected if you are so sure a crime was committed.

I think he said "believed" a crime had been committed. If he could prove it someone would have been charged. Either way it was a bad press conference for Hill. Ugly look.

And thats exactly what I stated in this thread right after that news conference wrapped. It was a bad look.

Only because nobody will touch him.

I anticipate a long suspension coming down from the NFL. The Chiefs are no-win here.

I dunno, it's really hard to say what will happen because he doesn't have an accuser or a criminal charge now.

They probably just can't charge him because his wife won't testify and they don't have a case without her.

Some info (such as photos) will probably leak eventually and he'll be released on the spot. I think the chances he ever appears in a game for the Chiefs again are pretty low.

Guessing the DA and prosecutors are going to let CPS do the dirty work to gather more evidence if what others have said is even remotely true

To be honest, the Chiefs have already won.

They took a chance on a guy in the 5th round who was only available at that point in the draft because of the DV concerns. They got 3 amazing years from him on his rookie contract.

It'll suck if we have to release him because of the what-might-have-been, but we'll have absolutely won out in spades.

(This at least helps me to feel less awful about what I unfortunately expect to be the end result.)

cringe.

Well...

I had trepidation about Hill when we drafted him. I didn't like it; but I've lived enough life to have seen good people do ****ed up things and was open to a second chance. Unfortunately, I've also seen abusive behavior become a pattern.

Hunt is not the same; nothing he did is anywhere near as bad as either of Hill's alleged offenses. I think Hunt has a drinking/temper problem, and needs to get help. But after lying to the team about the incident(s) and getting caught on film, yeah, the team did the right thing. It's the only thing you CAN do, and have any authority as an organization over everyone that works at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

Clark's offenses in college, when you look into them, are not nearly the same as either although it would be closer in scope to Hunt's transgressions. Some girl said he hit her, then said he didn't, and maybe he probably did, but at any rate it obviously wasn't a BEATING or it would've obvious. AND the felony home invasion thing was that he apparently stole another kid's laptop out of his dorm room. So, yeah, not good, but not punching your pregnant girlfriend and then perhaps breaking that child's arm at three years old bad. And for his NFL career, he's stayed out of trouble.

I can't root for a guy who is a serial abuser of women and children. It ruins everything. IF The Chiefs think he did this, you have to cut him.

So where's YOUR line?

I was spanked in this fashion. Arm never broke. I don't believe I was abused. No one knows what happened outside the family so no one should judge. Enjoy the season I say.

I think the biggest reason Hill is here still, is because the Chiefs simply don’t want him playing for another team. There is no reason to cut him now, so he can go play for the Browns next year. He will probably not be serving any suspension until 2020.
They still need to draft a wr and sign one of the available veterans like Crabtree to a 1yr deal. Be prepared to not have him Veach

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from Tyreek Hill through his attorneys regarding the investigation:<br><br>“I love and support my family above anything. My son’s health and happiness is my number one priority.” <a href="https://t.co/jDcAVG6Wy7">pic.twitter.com/jDcAVG6Wy7</a></p>&mdash; Brooke Pryor (@bepryor) <a href="https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1121425368559292416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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If Hill and his attorney can't come out with a statement saying that Hill is not guilty of any wrong doing pretty quick then then this just needs to be over. I hate it but as far as the Chiefs go they shouldn't be held hostage by the situation. Trade him to Cleveland and move on. As far as Hill goes if he's guilty he needs to be held accountable. If's!

Huge mistake if they do unless they know something we don't.

Exactly, I would get a divorce and hold her history of abuse against her. She wouldn’t be able to file child support because I would have that little secret.

When shit hits the fan you come together to try to figure it out, that’s what happened here. They’re both covering for each other, I must be a piece of shit too because I couldn’t flat out call the cops on her over a broken arm.

CPS isn't likely to get any more "evidence" unless something else happens. Most likely they have just set up a regular visitation schedule to check on the kid until they find there is no reason to continue to do so or something else happens.

I'm guessing the league pops him for 2/4 games for "conduct detrimental to the league", he serves it and everyone goes on their way.

This is my thinking. No one is talking so they can’t do anything. Someone will leak photos to TMZ, he will be cut at that time and get a 1yr suspension.

Thad’s what I’m thinking as well. 4 games max.

Good God get a grip. That photo better have a picture of the culprit cracking the whip.

“Tyreek has maintained from the inception and throughout the investigation that he was innocent of any crime. Contrary to some media reports, Tyreek cooperated with law enforcement, waived his 5th Amend rights, and answered Qs from both police and DCF”

Based on Press Release from Reek.

Innocent until proven guilty. ALMOST all but not everyone deserves a second chance. Accusations don't count. Court of Public Opinion don't count. In today's world where slander and libel don't exist (see Smollett) I need proof of guilt.

Hmm....

Nothing like leveraging the abuse of a child into a financial gain for yourself.

I've had CPS or DFS or whatever they want to call themselves back when I was in middle school. They're ****ing ruthless, and my situation was sibling on sibling.

That’s what she gets for ****ing up, not my problem.

So now idiots like Florio can STFU about this 5th amendment bullshit.

We really have no clue what is going on here. We have ideas of what could be, but we nothing concrete. And I’m not sure we ever will.

Link?

Not just this situation, but in general, I think it's kind of ****ed up that we hold the NFL to a higher standard than the legal system.

Maybe, moreso that the NFL gets into the disciplinary stuff above the law. It's such a slippery slope for them.

Like the Zeke thing.

Where was mention of a belt? I didn't hear anything about that.

Genuinely curious.

I was wondering about the 5th amendment thing yesterday when I saw it mentioned seemingly out of the blue in Florio's (I think?) tweet. I don't remember hearing or reading that anywhere else.

That wasn't actually his statement. That was something made up.

Duncan posted some heresay earlier that it wasn't just a broken arm.

No that's directly from his statement.

Right! Leave your child with someone who abused them and use that information to not financially support your child.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also in the Hill release:<br><br>“Tyreek has maintained from the inception and throughout the investigation that he was innocent of any crime. Contrary to some media reports, Tyreek cooperated with law enforcement, waived his 5th Amend rights, and answered Qs from both police and DCF” <a href="https://t.co/j2giReGBWs">pic.twitter.com/j2giReGBWs</a></p>&mdash; Brooke Pryor (@bepryor) <a href="https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1121426381995425793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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They showed on local news this morning that release from Tyreek most likely his lawyers.

Ah shit, my bad. I didn't see that part.

Whipped thats what Duncan reported. A whip would break flesh especially on a 3 yo child.

Still think we should use one of those 2nd rd picks on a receiver. There’s just too many questions with this receiving core.

Can Sammy stay healthy?
Will Sammy even be here next year?
Do we want to extend Tyreek at this point?

Robinson is a FA after this season too.

Big need IMO