Well yeah. That's the same argument, or maybe worry is more appropriate, I have when people say we won last season without a WR1.

Yes, I get it. We have Patrick Mahomes. You wanna know what pairs really really well with Patrick Mahomes? A defense that allows under 24 pts. Since he's been starter, so including games where he didn't play and including the playoffs we are 46-2 when the D holds the opponent to 23 or less points. Our only losses were against the Colts.

Now when the D allows 24+ we drop down to 29-19.

Chris Jones is a huge part of why we hold teams below 24 points. You all wanna act like we can win shoot out after shoot out, but so far we're winning only about 60% of those. If you don't think losing Chris Jones will shoot our ppg up, then you're just too stupid to reason with.

Patrick Mahomes is the best ever, but even he can't go out and win game after game when the defense can't stop anyone.

10 of our wins were within a TD and most of those games were actually pretty close. We had a tough schedule, so the games were close. Luckily for us we had a QB that could take the team down the field to score when we needed it and a defense led by Chris Jones that could make a stop when we needed it.

46-2 is literally just stupid. LMAO That's just a ridiculous stat

Incredible song though.

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It's a game of inches my friend. This is no secret.

Thats what she said.

Kudos to TribalElder for nailing the OP and thread title on this epic saga. Will no doubt be one we look back on whichever way it falls.

So let's try to figure out the range the Chiefs are offering. We have strong reason to believe Jones is asking $30M per year since someone floated that to the media a week or two ago and no one in the Jones camp complained.

If the Chiefs were offering $28-29M, I feel like the deal would be done by now. We have to assume the Chiefs are offering more than Quinnen Williams' $24M. I feel like even $25M would be a bit of an insult, and Jones camp would be complaining. So it seems to me the Chiefs are offering $26-27M, probably closer to $27M.

Quinnen got 4 years, but he is 25 years old. Maybe the Chiefs are holding firm on 3 years with an out and that's a big sticking point.

So right now it's probably something like Jones demanding $30M over 4 years, and the Chiefs offering $27M over 3 years with an out. If they Chiefs are offering any lower than that, I don't think they're serious about signing him.

Doesn’t he lose another million if he misses Sunday?

The Titanic theme song plays on a loop, when opening this thread

The six inches in front of your face. Now I cant make ya do it. But I think you'll see a guy next to you who will go that inch. Cuz thats what livin is!

Well giving up less than 24pts on defense in only 48 games out of around 80 is a little disturbing in itself though.

The writing is on the wall. Even the slowest of us can see it coming unless Jones decides a different approach. Veach isn't going above whatever the number is thats his ceiling. They are obviously already there. Same scenario as played out with Hill.

Jones will be tagged. Permission granted to talk contract with other teams. Trade made for draft picks. 1st/3rd in 2024. 2nd round pick in 2025. Veach uses the draft capital to move up and get "his" new DT he's been scouting for 3 years.

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Heh, funny you mention the Bears.

Blah blah blah. We have played numerous games with a ton of guys out. We can win without Jones.

So did Jones report today?

One thing to consider is that Chris will have a much better year if he's on the last year of his contract vrs the first year of a new contract. Resign him and get 7-8 sacks vrs 12-15 on the 1 year.

I think Veach uses this type of pressure to get the most out of players.

But other than that...........

BEARS.

You fail to understand the very, very simple concept of the message I am trying to get across to you:

We were not some unstoppable juggernaut that coasted through the season. We won a lot of close games. Hence, losing our best defensive player - even if we can cobble together a group of decent replacements and deploy the money and draft capital elsewhere - could easily be the difference between our not winning a SB the next time we're in a similar situation.

I am not complaining that we didn't dominate our opponents. I couldn't care less if we won by 100 or won by 1 as we ended up champions. Frankly, I'm grateful as a fan that we had the exact season we did because it made it a million times more satisfying.

I am merely stating that we didn't have unlimited amounts of error last year and very likely won't this year either.

But please, keep responding to me like I'm complaining about the team and the season. It's nice when you talk past what I am very clearly articulating because of some made-up agenda in your mind.

Chris Jones has never lost a game of inches.

While all you say is true, it's looking like the defense THIS year just may be leaps and bounds better than anything we've put on the field since Pat arrived. Barring injuries we have one of the best LB trios in the NFL and the secondary is in year 2 of the scheme they've been taught.

While we are better with CJ than without I think Veachs next step in his plan is replacing CJ after this year. Betting he has his eye on a certain college player right now , plus a couple fA's coming up. He needs a better draft position than 32 so how does he get there

That’s all well and good but with no pass rush it’s a problem

I’ve decided to root for the Chiefs regardless of what happens with C Jones (Chiefs starting DT)

My worry is that if Jones doesn't agree to Veach's offer, that Veach will still spend that money on another, albeit lesser, DT.

I HAVE POSTED UP IN THE DELI SECTION OF THE PRARIE VILLAGE HYVEE! DISGUISED AS A KUMQUAT. WILL REPORT ANY UNUSUAL CHRIS JONES-RELATED ACTIVITY.

We absolutely did not have the toughest schedule in football last year. We did have the projected toughest schedule, but it didn't materialize that way because Arizona, Denver, LA, and LV were all ass.

We drafted pass rushers the last two years in Karlaftis,RD1, Uzomah, RD 1 , and Thompson RD 5. Veach has his plan. He's one step ahead

Well plus we handed a lot of losses out to them.

I agree with all of that. I love our LBers and secondary. They both have a chance to be top-10 units. The only part of our defense I have any worries about is the DL, and a large part of that is Jones not getting a full training camp and Omenihu’s suspension.

I’m really excited to see our defense when we’re at full strength.

Well sure, in a small sample size our wins distort SoS, but I think we can all agree that those teams were significantly worse than expected and that was more than a third of our games.

Jones is still an elite pass rusher at the DT position. He commands more attention on the DLine than anyone else on this team. How much longer can he do it? Not a clue, but that is not easy to replace, and it's even harder where the Chiefs draft.

FYP

Does anyone other than the Simply Red stooges find these posts funny?

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No.
They've gotten ridiculously out of hand. It's to the point where it's 20% of the posts in some threads.

I like the Chiefs this weekend to win BIG!

& they're (The Kansas City Chiefs) my favorite team!

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New guy at work told me today that this CJ situation reeks of Justin Houston & Eric Berry’s last days in KC. And that CJ would be traded….I imagined myself punching him in the face, but instead, I told him how he was sorely misinformed. Then he told me that he was a Bronco fan. I should have punched him.

Chiefs FO is working the media

He wants Aaron Donald money?

If that's the case then have fun playing in Chicago in 2024 Chris.

You should've beaten him senseless with Chris Jones' dick

I was very optimistic a deal would get done.

As time as has gone, gun to my head prediction is he’s tag and traded next year.

Veach’s MO is not paying aging players to top of the market deals. I have no doubt that a deal would have been done had the number even been 27. But a line has to be drawn when have Bolton, Smith, and Creed all eligible for new deals this coming off season

WRONG!!!!!!

So the answer is spend big money on non-premium positions? Doesn’t seem like good team building strategy.

I don't have anything against you man. You seem like a nice guy....it just gets old sifting through all of those posts.

I have slowly turned pessimistic.

There is still time to show your dominance over a new employee AND a bronco fan with a single punch. Get on it.

CJ is getting very philosophical…

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A hundred bucks says that mother****er has a "live, laugh, love" decal on his living room wall.

Technically DT aren't "premium positions either. Edge Rushers are, but DTs are often included as they are a part of the "defensive line."

I feel that decisions have to be made when you have a talent heavy team. You simply can't pay everyone their market value as the salary cap won't allow it. If CJ's contract is going to reset the market, then sometimes you have to accept trading him to get as much value as possible.

CJ is not as young as he was and it could be likely that his performance drops off after year year... just as it could be likely that he keeps performing at a high level. At his position, time is working against him versus for him, but you know that.

That's what she said?

Nah, he has it tattooed on his dick in size 100 font.

LMAO

It's odd that a beast like Jones has the online persona of a single mom who sells Scentsy and has a relationship status of "it's complicated".

again, what is his leverage?

We just won the SB. Jones has no leverage and is still under contract for 20 mil. Only the Rams were stupid enough to hand an old DT a blank check.

I personally think CJ is playing with fire. Maybe you could say he is betting on himself BUT unless he has the same or better type of season as last year how can he argue for his current asking price? A year older and less production won't get him his money and could end up getting him less than what Veach is offering now. Just ask OBJ how it turned out to him!

They’d like to go back to back. Probably tough to do that without your best defensive player but I’ve been wrong a lot before

It's an area we can improve but doesn't seem all that crazy given the circumstances.

The rules to favor offenses are getting out of hand, but a more important factor is having Mahomes on our sideline. Our defense is getting offense's best shots week in and week out. They know they can't come in here and win without dropping 30+ so they're having to face aggressive gameplans more frequently than the average squad.

I don't want to make excuses but..

I actually still find myself chuckling at them from time to time.

Even if I don't, they're never very long so they're easy to pass over.

He kinda turned into a bit of a bitch when the Chiefs cut Frank Clark

His banner image on his Twitter is Frank.

Chris Jones isn't playing for anyone but the Chiefs this year

Agreed.

Also, TB, LAR and SF were stricken with several injuries to key players, turning all of them from a potential playoff contenders to relatively easy pushovers. What was predicted to be one of the toughest slates became a parade of preseason level contests.

He plays the wrong position to be holding out for money

I agree that they're easy to pass over but man every single chiefs thread has become that. Just look at the TC threads. There's barely any good chiefs discussions anymore and my two favorite chiefs posters (DJsLeftNut and TK13) have barely discussed the chiefs this off-season so the combination of the two has really sucked the fun out of reading Chiefs related threads on this forum.

That's my issue with it too. You see the the day's training camp thread and it's 4 pages or so long, so you're thinking "ok cool there must finally be some news" and then you open the thread and half the posts are just nonsense.

Maybe it was sorta funny the first few times, but has long since run it's course.

one contract turning into 3 isn't "big money"

He’s betting that hitting the open market in a year will get him a better deal than the Chiefs are offering now. He’s probably right.

OBJ kinda sucked and most of the league acknowledged that. Not the case here.

And next year is being billed as the year with a big salary cap jump year where a lot of teams have extra money to spend. The hard part is probably not being able to tag him. If we don’t get an extension done, it’s crazy to think he could be an outright free agent that resets the asap market over what Bosa gets.

I'm just not sure what you're expecting.

We have a combination of things going on here:

1. We're deep into camp and have a good feel for how this roster will shake out already. There's not much to be discussed here.

2. There's really no position battles going on outside of WR, and we've beaten that conversation to death for months already. At this point, we're at "wait and see". It's not a matter of "if" some of these young guys work out, it's a matter of which will seize the opportunity, and we just have to wait and see.

3. We're fresh off yet another SB and we're returning most of that roster, so it's not like we have questions all over the place.

4. With all the success this regime has had, it's incredibly difficult to find things to be concerned about. Arguing against the regime is a bold move considering that they're likely to find success regardless of your concerns about a position group, so it feels like "old man yells at cloud".

5. Even the Great Debate of Skyy Moore is a distant memory. Even those of us who argued his skillset is fungible readily admit that if he becomes a high snap count player he'll produce.

It's anxiety about the team that makes for poppin' conversations. There isn't any right now.

All of Chiefs Kingdom is pretty much in a comatose. We're not worried about anything, and anything that we may have a smidge of anxiety over just isn't worth passionate debate because more than likely the Chiefs will win anyway and leave you looking like a spaz for no reason.

It's time to get comfortable with being comfortable.

And since you miss DJ so much, i just wrote you a DJ-esque long post.

You're welcome.

But then he's playing his hand wrong. Just say you intend to play out your contract, go to camp, ball out, and get paid. What's to be gained from staying away unless you want your deal now?

God help us if Chris Jones shows up to camp ready to play. We'll be debating gunners again. It's like the total inverse of the Haley dark years - only now things are so GOOD that there's nothing to argue about.

Unnecessary risk of injury.

How many times have we seen guys tear ACLs in camp? Or pop an Achilles? Tear a shoulder.

Any of those things happen right now, his chances of getting a mega deal this upcoming offseason go way down with his age. For him to get the payday he wants, he needs to have another monster year and stay healthy.

His agent is probably advising him to stay in top shape and to not report till just before the regular season.

I can see the logic in paying the fines to avoid any possible risk of injury before it’s nessesary to take that risk…even if the fines are 2-3 million dollars. That amount is nothing when having a chance at a 100m+ deal this upcoming offseason.

I wish we knew what’s been offered.

I think that the risk is unwavering. You have more opportunities in camp, but missing camp makes the remaining opportunities that much more likely.

Maybe he's looking at OBJ, who came to camp early, played out his one year, and wasn't signed. I dunno. At some point though, absence makes the heart grow fungus.

That's like decaf watered down DJ. Just doesn't hit the same.

I said fungible.

Sheesh.

Ungrateful little bastard.

Lot of Chiefs fans are coming out of years of an abused relationship filled with pain and trauma while now going to a dynasty.

It's like a kid that has a toxic family seeing another kids good natured warm family for the first time and thinking "wtf is going on here? They're boring."