The same Belichick that signed Gronk to a 6 year $54 million contract extension in 2012, which was at the time the largest ever for a TE?

The Patriots could afford that luxury because they were already set at Left Tackle.

Belichick didn't pay to keep Nate Solder... true?

That is exactly the case. Trent Williams wanted to stay in San Francisco. Chiefs gave him the leverage he needed to really squeeze the Niners for top dollar. He got exactly what he wanted, but he ultimately gave up a chance to win 2+ championships.

Yeah I think ill just quit while I'm ahead. This conversation won't be getting any better.

This is what I remember reading about the situation.

The worst contract on the team is probably Taylor...but there wasn't anything the Chiefs could do at that point after OBJ ****ed us. They really thought he could probably play LT.

The next worst is Creed Humphrey which we did to ourselves for absolutely no reason.

Lmfao, only a bitch would do that.

Creed and the eventual Trey Smith deal aren't a big deal as long as Simmons plays at a high level at LT for 4 years assuming his rookie season is a redshirt year, if Kingsley wins the LG position and plays it well, and after this season you rid yourself of the Taylor deal with ideally someone on the roster or a rookie is drafted to man the position. That's three cheap deals to offset 2 big contracts.

While I'd love it, could you imagine what some would do if we took another tackle with our 1st round pick next year?

Noobs get more dumb by the day.

Veach tried to make Trent the highest paid LT, but he really wanted to play for the 49ers and took that deal instead.

He traded a 1st rounder and tried to make him one of the highest paid LTs of all time, but OBJ was an idiot.

He paid Taylor $20 mil/yr and thought he could move to LT.

He draft Wanya Morris in the 3rd and Kingsley S. in the 2nd.

Wtf else could Veach have done? He's done everything he could outside of ****ing over the future of this team and trading away multiple 1st round picks to jump up and get a top talent.

The fact that you call this the first real committed attempt at getting a LT just tells me you're either a troll, ignorant, or both. I'm not sure how anyone with a brain could ever accuse Brett Veach of not trying to fill a position of need. He's been able to fix every single hole this team has had outside of LT and he's tried multiple times to fix that position, as well.

If Simmons plays to expectation and Kingsley is an above guard there is no reason Mahomes doesn't become the best QB in the NFL again.

I hope to Patrick Mahomes that Smith doesn't get a long-term deal. It's ****ing ridiculous that he's making $23.4 mil this year which is $2.4 mil/yr more than the next highest guard. He'd be the 8th highest paid tackle right now.

How the hell is the franchise tag for a guard so high?

Teams handing out those big contracts to guards has pushed the tag up

Nope.

There's no distinction between OG and OT on the franchise market. OT's drive the franchise tag up for the OGs.

I think that's part of why Creed was able to get such a big jump - our leverage was piss poor because the tag wasn't a realistic threat.

And frankly, it SHOULDN'T have been a threat here either. We should've signed the guy last offseason or traded him this offseason. Or walked away from him.

If we don't have a deal done by now, it means we're either going to get cornholed on a LTC or one's not going to get done at all.

We messed this up something awful.

The other crazy thing about the franchise tag right now is that DTs make more than DEs. And LBs make more than BOTH of them.

And it's nothing more than a classification fluke.

The best edge rushers and the guys that drive the franchise tag prices ended up getting classified as "LBs" because they rush off the edge in 2-point stances so often that they get a OLB classification for the tag purposes.

Which pushes the DE value way down by removing those big numbers from the tag average and drives the LB figure way up. DT is a 'true' franchise figure based on what DTs are making because there's really not a ton of overlap. The DTs are DTs; there aren't a ton (like Jones) who play some DE.

The LB figure is probably inflated by about $8 million and the DE figure probably deflated by about $4 million. They're all sorts of wonky.

He's on record that they should have traded whatever it took to go to 3 or 4 last year to take Joe Alt. So...

The only possible way that happens is if we trade Patrick Mahomes. 3 was the Pats and I don't think they would have given up #3 for anything we had. We could have offered 3-4 first rounders and that wouldn't have been worth it for them to give up Maye. I guess Arizona would have taken 3 or 4 1sts to lose the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson, but losing all those draft picks could possibly detrimental to a team like the Chiefs that depend on the draft to supplement talent, since we don't have a ton of space every year.

Giving away so much capital on an unknown is dumb as hell. At that point just try to trade a team for a proven LT. If you're gonna **** your future might as well do it for a known commodity.

God damn that dude is dumb.

Wtf? Why would they have OGs and OTs the same, but split DTs and DEs?

Completely agree about the Trey Smith stuff. The franchise tag was the worst possible option, especially when you add in the fact that they were so far apart.

I'm really wondering where each side is at when it comes to AAV.

And STILL don't get the DE distinction right, no less....

Yeah, it doesn't make a damn bit of sense how they do it. And honestly, I've been surprised that someone like Kelce hasn't fought the TE designation given that the guys who are getting paid spend a whole lot of time essentially being large slot receivers.

They gotta draw their lines somewhere, I guess. But even if that's the case, why does someone playing a 5 technique from a 2 point stance qualify as a LBer when the same guy coming from a 3-point stance is going to get called a DE?

it's all pretty wild.

Whoa holy crap apparently the Chiefs rookie camp starts TOMORROW

wonder if he'll do anything


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL rookie minicamp dates for all 32 teams: <a href="https://t.co/xxVf36FopY">pic.twitter.com/xxVf36FopY</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1918368532133495150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He posted a pair of cleats in the locker room on his IG story:


https://i.imgur.com/zTYESUf.jpeg

For what it's worth, I watched an RGR Football YouTube Video (I know great source!!!) and they said from all accounts it appears Simmons only had only a partial tear of his Patellar tendon and that it was caught right away. Surgery was swift. If there was a best case scenario ever for a torn Pattelar tendon, it would be his situation.

I watched the same video.

It was well done, but I lost a lot of faith in it when the dude just made up that Simmons is 80 percent likely to recover 100 percent from the injury...

His maths don't math...

Yeah it seemed sort of arbitrary and like he just pulled that number out of thin air. Because he did.

He PM'd me yesterday and said he was going to asterisks shit up.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...c19G/giphy.gif

Those are cleats? Some retro ass cleats I guess

They're custom. If you zoom, you can see the cleats on the bottom.

I think he's implying we should've done this after we didn't get Trent. And like, who the hell would be our trade parter over the years? Is there a bad team with a great LT out there? Because that's the trade target you're looking for, and I dont even think that exists.

We traded a future 1st to acquire Patrick Mahomes. I'd support doing the same to acquire a Left Tackle.

Joe Alt would've been at least 2 firsts. From 32nd to 5th? Thats gonna cost ya. And who would willingly trade a LT to us? It would have to be NFC and theyd make us pay through the teeth for it.

Raf simmons customized cleats. Never seen those

More like 3 1's plus more... you'd have to move to 4. You're asking Arizona who is the first team not taking a QB to pass on Harrison Jr who is an elite of elite prospect..to drop to 32.

The only way this works is if you give up insane value, is Joe Alt worth all of that?

Yeah I was being generous.

There isn't a reasonable universe where you get a top 15 LT for the rest of Mahomes career with "just" a 1st round and change. Not in a trade nor in a trade up in the draft. Not where we pick from.

The first "real" attempt at fixing the LT position. Sure.

If you're going from 31/32 to 10 you're giving up at least two 1s and a 2, and likely a 4. Going to 4 would be ****ing insane. Add at least another 1 and 2, and probably another 4.

I'd give it up to get to 10 if the guy looks like a sure thing. Going to 4 though, that's just getting into ridiculous territory. That's 2 future drafts without premier players. You simply can't substantiate that.

That's why you offer a player. If you offer Rashee Rice then the whole game changes. I'd trade Rice and a future 1st for Joe Alt. No brainer.

I want all of our picks back and then the punt returner because I feel like it.

Yeah, it just feels like it's time for the NFL to re-class tags.

4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB as ER and IOL vs OT split both need to happen

No way Rice and a 1 is getting you to #4, but it might get you to #10.

Occasionally I'm accidentally fashionable when I wear shirts with holes in them.

Most of the Draft experts figured the Chiefs would have to jump the Texans,Rams and Ravens to get Simmons. Veach was like William Wallace in Braveheart. Hold...Hold....Hold.

The Texans trading out and the the Commanders taking Conerly a few picks later sealed it.

If the Ravens had been in need of a LT and passed on him, that would be a bad sign, IMO.

Though I suspect they’ll be more cautious with bad injuries that “look as good as possible right now” following the David Ojabo pick and failure.

And DJ BumKnees, who was worthless from the start.

You seem nice

How's about we see how it goes with the #1 that we just took (and got a free 5th in the bargain)?

Just saying.

I know you liked Conerly but I will feel justified if he really does end up a guard.


I mean he can pass block but we'll see if I'm right about the run blocking part.



Meanwhile Seth Keysor on 810 said Simmons had zero "losses" on pass blocking from what he reviewed which is kind of insane.


Look I wanted Burton and maybe it's copium but I'm getting excited about Simmons

I agree. But let’s see both ways. The Internet doctor degree doesn’t prove good or bad either.

You're just incredibly dumb. That wasn't gonna happen either.

It’s been repeated a lot from Dr interviews on this kid that the surgery for Simmons was “well done” bringing the question…have some of these past NFL players not had as successful surgeries with this injury?

Sterling Holmes did an interview with a Dr who said even a millimeters difference changes flexibility and strength in the knee long term. That’s a pretty goddamn fine line. It’s also why being a surgeon has to be stressful as hell.

Robotics have obviously been around for decades, but only recently has it amplified to such an extent with the use of AI algorithms for image recognition, surgical field analysis, motion control and enhancing surgical precision. I wonder if Simmons Dr used this technology to have a more precise surgery that will help recovery compared to other players?

The reason I say that was bc it was insane how well that kid was moving at his pro day just 5 months post-op. Like I did not expect that at all when I saw it.

Not to say Simmons will be fine. I’m just curious to see what Burkholder found to make him feel confident, and if this was part of his confidence.

Real life NFL is not Madden.

You need to get real. Of course you would make that trade. Neither the Cardinals nor the Chargers would have accepted that deal.

There's no "force trade" button, either.

If the "partial tear" rumor is true it changes...well everything about this pick

I saw he signed with the Niners a few days ago. It will be interesting to see if he ever returns to form.

Favoring that knee quite a bit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QB Protector: Josh Simmons<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> 1st round pick in a Chiefs uniform for the first time.<br><br>Simmons went through warm ups, but just watched during individual drills. <a href="https://t.co/io7FYXJ5xz">pic.twitter.com/io7FYXJ5xz</a></p>&mdash; Matt Foster (@MattFosterTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattFosterTV/status/1918757918620422551?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not to worry. It's his non-power knee.

I guess we see what we want to see

He's the best goddamn stretcher I've ever seen. GENERATIONAL.

His stretching puts him in the top 5 players drafted EASILY if it weren't for the injury!

Yes but eventually because he favors one of them, the other one will also become less stable.

He will need both knees replaced if he wants to walk after the age of 40.

You are an excellent doctor.

This is an ongoing joke he said the same thing about him getting out of the plane

poor guy, 1st round draft pick, shouldn't have been picked before the 3rd round, I bet he has nothing to prove.

Either he is super limber or they undermeasured his arm length at the combine.

Man, there are some big dudes out there. Just checked the rookie camp roster and there's a 6-5 240 WR from Brown. That camp would be fun to watch.

Kid just looks like a franchise LT by his presence alone. Have a great feeling he will be special.

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He's gonna be like **** the Raiders and Max Crosby by December

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GqDGjZSX...jpg&name=small

Anyone else starting to think we might have straight up stole this kid?

He measured 34 1/8” at the Ohio state pro day. 1 1/8” longer than the combine.

If he isn't a first ballot hall of famer, I will run myself through a woodchipper!

His stretching is unbelievable. We for sure have a top 5 tackle of all-time

Wooooooooooooo doggie

I think the point being missed is that this is a great sign for his potential availability to start TC. Guys that are still relatively far away aren't putting on a helmet and going through little drills in early May.

I know Reid said he'd be ready for camp, but he didn't say day 1. I'm starting to believe that might actually be what he meant, which is incredible to say the least.

I still think he'll be placed on PUP to start the season.

Guys like Matt Derrick, Nick Jacobs, and Nate Taylor said expect this be a red shirt season anything else is hype concerning him starting.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said he’s surprised at how well Josh Simmons moved around on his first day at rookie minicamp. Still a lot of evaluation left, of course.</p>&mdash; Sam McDowell (@SamMcDowell11) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamMcDowell11/status/1919080764034982248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 4, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's gonna be awesome.

It would contradict everything we've heard from the team.

I never said anything about him being starting. And even by RS they're simply talking about him starting, and obviously, that's not the plan.

That doesn't mean he's not going to go through TC and the preseason regularly like he's healthy. That's what's important here.

Good stuff. Seeing him out there in #71, he looks like Silverback. Similar builds.

3 guys who know absolutely nothing and are guessing like all the rest of us.