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DeezNutz 11-16-2010 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ (Post 7177856)
The problem with the Royals system right now is that we aren't actually good trade partners with teams because of how our system stacks up.The price for Upton would be high obviously, and if you look historically at trades you are best trading off high upside/raw guys and we just don't have any of that. The Tigers traded for cabrera with 2 really really projectable guys who had done nothing in the minors to that point and thus offered a really low risk to them. I wouldn't want to trade any of our big 3 hitters because 2 of them could be starting by the end of next year and you don't trade away a potential Buster Posey for a right fielder. Then all you are left with is pitching prospects which we desperately need. I wouldn't do it if I was DM.

Not all of our pitching prospects are going to pan out, so I would be fine with trading a couple of those pieces. Position players...that's a little tougher. I wouldn't be completely against moving Moosetacos, though. I don't think he projects nearly as well as Hosmer or Myers.

Mecca 11-16-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7177873)
Not all of our pitching prospects are going to pan out, so I would be fine with trading a couple of those pieces. Position players...that's a little tougher. I wouldn't be completely against moving Moosetacos, though. I don't think he projects nearly as well as Hosmer or Myers.

Moose probably profiles the worst of any of the top prospects this team has. His BB/K rate isn't good which isn't a great sign for him going forward.

SithCeNtZ 11-16-2010 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7177873)
Not all of our pitching prospects are going to pan out, so I would be fine with trading a couple of those pieces. Position players...that's a little tougher. I wouldn't be completely against moving Moosetacos, though. I don't think he projects nearly as well as Hosmer or Myers.

The problem I guess I have with that is what happens with Greinke. If we don't feel like we can sign him then what do you do? Some of those prospects HAVE to turn out for us to be ok. We can't field a team with Hochaver as our #1 guy. If we had Greinke locked up long term I would be more ok with throwing 2 pitchers their way and gambling on it, but if we can't sign him then we are going to have to pray that all of our hitters turn out great plus Upton hits his full potential so that we can out hit the rest of the division.

DeezNutz 11-16-2010 06:10 PM

For grins:

Moosetacos, Crow, + lower-level prospect in exchange for Upton.

I would have made this deal yesterday.

duncan_idaho 11-16-2010 06:13 PM

I like Upton a lot and would love to see that happen.

I'd think strongly about making Butler the centerpiece of that deal. They need help at 1b, and the Royals have a lot of options there.

Would be tough, but I think Upton is the better RH bat long-term and he obviously brings more to the table.

jbwm89 11-16-2010 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7177873)
Not all of our pitching prospects are going to pan out, so I would be fine with trading a couple of those pieces. Position players...that's a little tougher. I wouldn't be completely against moving Moosetacos, though. I don't think he projects nearly as well as Hosmer or Myers.

I think that is the theory behind all of this young pitcher stockpiling (ie the DDJ trade). Some of them have to work out they can't all be busts. Either that or you have enough depth to move some young pitching without killing your youth movement.

DeezNutz 11-16-2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 7177950)
I like Upton a lot and would love to see that happen.

I'd think strongly about making Butler the centerpiece of that deal. They need help at 1b, and the Royals have a lot of options there.

Would be tough, but I think Upton is the better RH bat long-term and he obviously brings more to the table.

Upton would be an ideal answer for our huge hole in CF. Dude is a rare talent. Honestly, if Greinke is going to be moved come hell or high water...well...there are worse decisions that could be made than doing it for Upton.

jbwm89 11-16-2010 06:19 PM

Non-tender candidate Kyle Davies hopes to remain with the Royals, says MLB.com's Dick Kaegel. Davies hasn't heard anything from the team regarding his future.

Get the **** out

DeezNutz 11-16-2010 06:22 PM

I'd like to keep Davies, actually. His stuff is legit, and he's the type of player that I think will have 1-2 outstanding years, and then go back to being a serviceable, albeit frustrating, #5 starter.

CaliforniaChief 11-16-2010 06:24 PM

Not Royals related, but not feeling like starting a new thread.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoffs...gorithm=custom

Braves acquire Dan Uggla from Marlins for Infante and Mike Dunn.

Carry on.

jbwm89 11-16-2010 06:24 PM

I would love for him to have 1-2 outstanding years, but I just don't know if I have the patience to watch him be so inconsistent. I'm afraid he will always be a frustrating #5 starter.

jbwm89 11-16-2010 06:29 PM

Not a great read but kinda interesting. An article on the positives of the DDJ trade.

http://www.athomeplate.com/regular-a...nt-to-win.html

Sure-Oz 11-16-2010 06:39 PM

I'd def. kick the tires on Upton...he had a shoulder injury that was bothering him atleast half the year. He was supposed to have a monster year and was shredding in ST till he got hurt

jbwm89 11-16-2010 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 7178033)
I'd def. kick the tires on Upton...he had a shoulder injury that was bothering him atleast half the year. He was supposed to have a monster year and was shredding in ST till he got hurt

I would hate to give up moose though. I wonder if we couldn't more pitching and Butler.

duncan_idaho 11-16-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7177969)
Upton would be an ideal answer for our huge hole in CF. Dude is a rare talent. Honestly, if Greinke is going to be moved come hell or high water...well...there are worse decisions that could be made than doing it for Upton.

Of course, the flip side could be trading for Upton without giving up Butler... might be enough to convince Greinke to stay. It certainly would advance the "competitive phase."

I could see something like: Lamb+Duffy+Aviles+Clint Robinson/Ka'ahuie being enough, barely. Two elite pitching prospects, one who is close to big-league ready, and two cheap and controllable, productive position players.

A nucleus of Greinke, Butler and Upton would look pretty good when supported by Moose/Hosmer/Colon/Myers and Montgomery, Dwyer ...

If you're willing to move Butler, I think he and Lamb/DUffy+Aviles/CF prospect are probably enough to get it done. He and Upton are similar hitters, and it gives Arizona a premium pitching prospect and some useful parts in return.


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