he had the ball against the Pats with time on the clock and we turned the ball over, 4 and out I think...

WE'RE NOT ARGUING HE HAD GREAT STATS IN 2004, I'm saying, in each of those games, we had 4th quarter leads, and I remember several times Green flat out not getting it done on that final possession.

We were supposedly the team that could score every time we had the football...but as soon as we were in a must pass situation, we were no longer very scary...

Our offense, and Green, benifited greatly from having such a potent running game.

this statement completely contradicts itself. How can there be something wrong with the guy behind center when he's leading the most potent offense in the NFL!?

I cannot believe Green is getting so much heat right now. This is insane. The guy has better numbers than anybody but Manning. Led the a top 3 offense for what, like 4 years in a row??? And now you're saying he choked those games away!?

This is just insane.

I'd rather take my chances when we have to pass with Trent than Huard, and i believe huard has benefited with knowing their main focus is LJ.

One thing's for sure, it's gonna be VERY interesting to see what happens when he gets back into the game. We can all bicker and fuss over this, but the fact of the matter is Herm is going to put him back in. So, are you gonna cheer for him or boo him?

Based on what he say's he'll cheer it up! But i have a feeling trent throws an INT after completing 8 straight passes the huard bandwagon will show up, probably on every mistake he makes.

Also, back to this 2004 talk, the Chiefs avg. 30 points a game in 2004. If you actually try and say that a losing season in a year where you score 30 points a game is anything to do with anybody on the offensive side of the ball then...well...i just don't know what to say to that. Nothing can be done to sway your thoughts.

Go back and watch the games. Our offense had a chance to tie or win all of those games in the final 2, 3 or 4 minutes.

Everytime, Green and the offensive line choked. Usually Green would get sacked against a 3-man rush or something.

Against the Chargers the game was tied late in the fourth and he threw an interception.

Personally I don't really like sitting here blaming any of those games on the offense. The defense was SO ****ING BAD.

the defense was friggin' terrible...

I hate talking about 2004 in all honesty, I don't know why I even bring it up. One of my least favorite years of being a Chiefs fan. Painful.

I do remember sacks at end of some games and feeling rather sick about it. But none of feeling was meant for Green. He had done his part over and over in those games and was still asked repeatedly "just one more time, please." Well by that time you know why there were 3 man rushes..?? Cuz 8 guys were sitting down the field covering our receivers. Green had to stand and stand and hope somebody could get open. This speaks more about the ability (or lack there-of) of our receivers to get open when the other team knows we have to pass. But again, by that time there's no reason they should have been doing anything but going to a knee.

did diddy do it!?

I'm with ya on that one, but not because I feel like the offense ever did a single thing wrong when you look at the year as a whole. It's painful to me that we wasted one of the best offenses the NFL has ever seen. And you know what? It was led by Trent Green.

Trent Green fed off Holmes/Blaylock/Johnson and they all fed off Roaf/Waters/Shields/Weigmann...

Green was the leader but they had a whole lot of pieces...

Which is exactly why I think it's crazy to blame that year on anybody on the offensive side of the football. They were a beautiful thing to watch and there's no way they were at all responsible for the 9 losses that season you're trying to pin them with.

Yes.