Again, I don't disagree with you, but it still comes down to the fact that they haven't won anything yet.

And for all the other good things he's done, AJ Smith hired Norv Turner.

In spite of that playoff run last year, I have no confidence in Norv Turner's ability.

Until and unless they do make a SB run, they are not a good example in this debate.

First article I found named them specifically for 2005-

Other reaches include:

San Diego Chargers - DT Luis Castillo, Round 1 (28) Oakland Raiders - CB Stanford Routt, Round 2 (38)
Seattle Seahawks - ILB Lofa Tatupu, Round 2 (45)
Green Bay Packers - CB Nick Collins, Round 2, (51)
Indianapolis Colts - CB Kelvin Hayden, Round 2 (60)

Um that pick is pretty much right around the area Castillo was thought to be going...

I thought Castillo fell a little because of a positive drug test.

Exactly.

I'd be curious as to who thought Castillo was a reach, considering the entire world expected him to be a late R1 pick.

Link?

The problem is, the "empty cup" folks are willing to doubt the future of a rookie with a great year and possibly dismiss is as fluke. But they also put a lot of weight on other young players' slightly subpar year as proof that they are no-talent busts. Tamba Hali, Brodie Croyle and our safeties are total and definite trash in their book. :shake:

I think that is the case but he wasn't a reach at that pick, and has proven that with his play.

BINGO.

The steroids issue is why people thought he'd DROP to the late 1st round.

I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.

No disrespect dude. But that's one of the dumbest reasonings I've read on this bb. Read Baby Lee's post again. Believe me THAT is solid reasoning.

He's still trying to get Al Saunders hired as head coach.

Here's Scott Wright's final mock for 2005.

He had Castillo going at #31. What a reach. :rolleyes:

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/archive/2005/mock.html

Feel free to point me in the direction of this supposed magical post.

This is crystal clear, though you're making it difficult.

Reaching based on need is a panic move that typically set franchises further back.

Taking the BPA, as the Chargers have done for the past 5-7 years, is how you build a complete team.

Our so-called "foundation" consists of Hali, Allen, DJ and Bowe.

SD's consists of Rivers, Tomlinson, Gates, Davis, Jackson, McNeill, Hardwick, Castillo, Merriman, Olshansky, Phillips, Cromartie, and Weddle.

WHY?

Because they took the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE at the time, and didn't reach based solely on need.

It was from About.com/football (I can go back and get the link)

Castillo was thought to fall because of character concerns. Hayden didnt excatly make the Colts draft either, but it was a need. Everybody does it.

I swear.

Mediocrity is like heroin to some of these guys.

They need their next fix.

If people would wake the **** up and realize that it's going to be 2-3 years before we're SERIOUSLY competitive, maybe they could survive without the drug of 8-8.

And that's if we do everything right in the next 2-3 drafts.

Reaching for need is the quickest way back to records between 7-9 and 9-7, maybe edging in to the playoffs every 3 years, and losing in the 1st round. The better players you passed over are the one's that could have made a 8-8 team a 12-4 team later.