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Sweet Daddy Hate 12-19-2008 07:54 PM

You know, Hamas, you could have saved all that typing by just presenting the concise and condensed version.

Which IS:

"Do You Want Matt Stafford As The Chiefs QBOTF"?

See, there it is! Not so hard, yes?

banyon 12-19-2008 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5312168)
They lost a shitload of talent from 92-93. To say that it was all just Emmitt Smith is a farce.

Jimmy Johnson even said to Trumpy before the Super Bowl "Last year we had a Royal Flush, this year we have a Full House."

I agree with you on this. I just wanted to differentiate Alabam RB's there.

Hey and Aikman was almost just as good as Young and Marino on Super Tecmo II.

I'm not sure it's really even a comparable scenario, as the Cowboys had to get past the other Dynasty-funded team of the 49ers. It's not like you could win with just good players at some positions, you had to be solid all over the place to win it all. You couldn't even get those teams anywhere near the field with the current cap structure.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-19-2008 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5312161)
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That's just a game manager folks, uh huh.

Man, he DID throw one beautiful spiral.

RippedmyFlesh 12-19-2008 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5312202)
Man, he DID throw one beautiful spiral.

On another forum they were talking about qb heights.
Aikman was bigger than elway.
Those little impish zone blockers made elway look bigger and cowboys huge(at the time) made aikman look smaller.
Off the top of my head I would have never guessed it.

RippedmyFlesh 12-19-2008 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5312110)
I'd love to know why some still devalue the most important position on the field.

There is hope with clark last year saying developing a qb was a priority.
At least Clark thinks its important so there is reason to hope.

Mecca 12-20-2008 05:37 AM

So what I've learned is a HOFer and one of the best QB's of his era is a "game manager" if you told me any QB would be as good as Aikman was I'd say trade the entire trade for him.

the Talking Can 12-20-2008 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5312856)
So what I've learned is a HOFer and one of the best QB's of his era is a "game manager" if you told me any QB would be as good as Aikman was I'd say trade the entire trade for him.

i can't even believe what i'm reading in this thread

Aikman was just a "game manager?"



wtf??????

Mecca 12-20-2008 06:27 AM

That should have said draft...damn late typos, trade the entire draft for him.

It's because Aikman didn't throw for 50 TD's or 4500 yards or some other pretty fantasy stats. He could have had them but they didn't play that way....

Baby Lee 12-20-2008 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5312865)
i can't even believe what i'm reading in this thread

Aikman was just a "game manager?"



wtf??????

You guys are the ones putting 'just' before the operant term. You guys are the ones who say that the shittiest game managers are the 'quintessential' game managers.
He was a vital part of a good team across the board, and because they were a good team across the board, they didn't go through games, let alone eras where people were saying 'geez, if they didn't have Aikman, they'd suck balls.' He didn't make mistakes, he read the game and orchestrated it, he provided a leadership foundation, but he didn't carry the team on his shoulders. THAT'S what we mean by game manager, not some guy who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when the chips are down.
Certainly, when the team sucked early on, he sucked right along with them. But who knows, maybe he could 'carry' a team, but Jimmy Johnson was smart enough to build a team that was strong everywhere and that wasn't necessary

FringeNC 12-20-2008 10:35 AM

Aikman to me is the boderline case between game manager / HOF-type quarterback. Those that want to claim you don't have to have a HOF-type quarterback to have a dynasty SHOULD use the 1992-1995 Cowboys because it is the ONLY possible example. One thing about those teams -- put a 2002-2005 Trent Green on those teams instead of Aikman. I say they are just as good.

the Talking Can 12-20-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5313027)
Aikman to me is the boderline case between game manager / HOF-type quarterback. Those that want to claim you don't have to have a HOF-type quarterback to have a dynasty SHOULD use the 1992-1995 Cowboys because it is the ONLY possible example. One thing about those teams -- put a 2002-2005 Trent Green on those teams instead of Aikman. I say they are just as good.

i'm sorry, but Kerry Collins with the Titans is a game manager...Steve Bono was a game manager....

calling Troy Aikman a game manager is well...you fill in the blank...

this fanbase is so desperate to define down the QB position...you know, if there isn't any difference between Kerry Collins and Troy Aikman then we don't need to draft a QB! we can just sign another vet!!

the Talking Can 12-20-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5312960)
You guys are the ones putting 'just' before the operant term. You guys are the ones who say that the shittiest game managers are the 'quintessential' game managers.
He was a vital part of a good team across the board, and because they were a good team across the board, they didn't go through games, let alone eras where people were saying 'geez, if they didn't have Aikman, they'd suck balls.' He didn't make mistakes, he read the game and orchestrated it, he provided a leadership foundation, but he didn't carry the team on his shoulders. THAT'S what we mean by game manager, not some guy who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when the chips are down.
Certainly, when the team sucked early on, he sucked right along with them. But who knows, maybe he could 'carry' a team, but Jimmy Johnson was smart enough to build a team that was strong everywhere and that wasn't necessary

sorry, there is no polite way for me to say this....you are freaking clueless

FringeNC 12-20-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5313048)
i'm sorry, but Kerry Collins with the Titans is a game manager...Steve Bono was a game manager....

calling Troy Aikman a game manager is well...you fill in the blank...

this fanbase is so desperate to define down the QB position...you know, if there isn't any difference between Kerry Collins and Troy Aikman then we don't need to draft a QB! we can just sign another vet!!

There is certainly no doubt that Aikman is better than Collins/Dilfer, but I don't think he is as good as the other dynasty QBs.

Baby Lee 12-20-2008 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5313053)
sorry, there is no polite way for me to say this....you are freaking clueless

You are the one who feels the need to handicap your visualization of a concept by pretending those who suck at it are doing it the best.

Collins and Bono are SHITTY game managers, Aikman and Simms are EXCELLENT game managers.

It's like saying "don't call Michael Jordan a shooting guard, shooting guards are POSs like Jamal Crawford.'

the Talking Can 12-20-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5313066)
There is certainly no doubt that Aikman is better than Collins/Dilfer, but I don't think he is as good as the other dynasty QBs.

which is a separate issue

the guy was a franchise QB


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