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Gadzooks 07-07-2012 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724685)
Whether or not the defense was built to play with a lead, that has nothing to do with the fact that Peyton, when plays needed to be made in the biggest moments in the biggest games, late in those games, he has failed to deliver in every opportunity, but one.

You can talk about all the other bullshit you want, but at the end of the the day, Peyton Manning has been the worst QB of any "great" QB when it matters the most, when the game is on the line in the playoffs.

Well we're talking about things like "clutch plays" and "poise". Those types of things are a matter of inches.
I gleefully remember when Merriman caught Peyton by the shoe to end a potential game winning drive and I remember the Tyree play where it seemed like Eli's ass was grass twice before he chucked up the rainbow that landed on Tyree's head. Are you chalking up Eli's "poise" to talent as opposed to luck? Statistically, it’s not close. Peyton wins. I’m of the opinion that Eli has an enormous horse shoe lodged up his ass. Sometimes I wonder if you head is up yours.:D

Backwards Masking 07-07-2012 07:11 PM

Hopefully Denver doesnt go to the playoffs (obviously), but chances are if the donkeys play decent and Pey Pey stays healthy they will. It's sad but true, the Colts did it too many times not to deny that.

But I'm relieved knowing once they get there they don't have a prayer as Peyton is clearly the biggest choke artist in the "All Time Greatest" conversation.

whoman69 07-07-2012 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King (Post 8724641)
Sure he would. Those are the best teams in the league. They consistently win 10+ games.

Odds are those teams will be very good again.

Odds are low we end up facing Caleb Hanie, Curtis Painter and Kyle Boller again.

Your arguments are not logical. Logic is little tweeting bird chirping in meadow. Logic is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad.

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milkman 07-07-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8724716)
Well we're talking about things like "clutch plays" and "poise". Those types of things are a matter of inches.
I gleefully remember when Merriman caught Peyton by the shoe to end a potential game winning drive and I remember the Tyree play where it seemed like Eli's ass was grass twice before he chucked up the rainbow that landed on Tyree's head. Are you chalking up Eli's "poise" to talent as opposed to luck? Statistically, it’s not close. Peyton wins. I’m of the opinion that Eli has an enormous horse shoe lodged up his ass. Sometimes I wonder if you head is up yours.:D

I get it.

You're butthurt that Eli spurned your Chargers.

But the fact is, and I've told your dumb ass this before, Eli made that Tyree play.

The only ****ing reason people remember Tyree is the fact that he caught that ball with the help of his helmut.

They don't remmember that Eli escaped a certain sack and was able to get his head downfield to see an open receiver then threw a great pass that should have been an easy catch if Tyree doesn't **** up and bobble to begin with.

JFC.

milkman 07-07-2012 07:18 PM

And when you talk about luck if you make one or two big plays over the course of a couple of playoff seasons, then you might be able to attribute it to luck.

But when you do it again and again, and again, there's more than luck involved.

Eli just keeps making huge plays in huge moments.

Gadzooks 07-07-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724731)
I get it.

You're butthurt that Eli spurned your Chargers.

But the fact is, and I've told your dumb ass this before, Eli made that Tyree play.

The only ****ing reason people remember Tyree is the fact that he caught that ball with the help of his helmut.

They don't remmember that Eli escaped a certain sack and was able to get his head downfield to see an open receiver then threw a great pass that should have been an easy catch if Tyree doesn't **** up and bobble to begin with.

JFC.

I'll openly admit I didn't like what Eli did in that draft but I'm still a rational football fan.
I'd mentioned in my post that Eli escaped 2 certain sacks. The question was do you chalk that up to talent or luck?

JFC.

tredadda 07-07-2012 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8724716)
Well we're talking about things like "clutch plays" and "poise". Those types of things are a matter of inches.
I gleefully remember when Merriman caught Peyton by the shoe to end a potential game winning drive and I remember the Tyree play where it seemed like Eli's ass was grass twice before he chucked up the rainbow that landed on Tyree's head. Are you chalking up Eli's "poise" to talent as opposed to luck? Statistically, it’s not close. Peyton wins. I’m of the opinion that Eli has an enormous horse shoe lodged up his ass. Sometimes I wonder if you head is up yours.:D

Did Eli ever toss a game costing pick-6 in a SB game? I know his brother did which is one reason why Eli has 2 SB rings to Peyton's 1.

milkman 07-07-2012 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8724741)
I'll openly admit I didn't like what Eli did in that draft but I'm still a rational football fan.
I'd mentioned in my post that Eli escaped 2 certain sacks. The question was do you chalk that up to talent or luck?

JFC.

I chalk it up to toughness, desire, and the will to never give up.

SAUTO 07-07-2012 07:33 PM

What about the pass to manningham? As good a it gets, especially at crunch time
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BigMeatballDave 07-07-2012 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 8724757)
What about the pass to manningham? As good a it gets, especially at crunch time
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Nope, its luck. /bitter bolt fan

Gadzooks 07-07-2012 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8724754)
I chalk it up to toughness, desire, and the will to never give up.

Bottom line. Is Eli more talented than Peyton?

BigMeatballDave 07-07-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8724888)
Bottom line. Is Eli more talented than Peyton?

In the post season, he is.

Mr_Tomahawk 07-07-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8724888)
Bottom line. Is Eli more talented than Peyton?

I'd rather have Eli in the postseason.

milkman 07-07-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 8724888)
Bottom line. Is Eli more talented than Peyton?

Of course not.

But if talent was all it took to win championships, then Jeff George would be considered by everyone as one of the greatest QB ever, while Johnny Unitas would be sitting on his couch at home talking about his semi-pro football glory days.

Quesadilla Joe 07-07-2012 09:10 PM

I don't think there is a GM out there that would choose a 22 year old Eli over a 22 year old Peyton.

Eli is clutch, great. But so is Paul Pierce and nobody would choose Paul Pierce over LeBron.


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