I agree with that description. I just don't think either happened. Not "TOTAL" control and certainly not being able to drop it for a double play. Granted it took a second for them to pick up the ball, but they didn't even have a play at third. Both runners were halfway. There is no way, save for falling down, that a throw was going to be made to third then second in time to get both forces.

If the infielder was in total control the ump ideally wouldn't have made the call at the last second. The last second call, right decision or not, also makes it a poor infielders fly call.

About took off my or the wifes head. That aint cool.

I dont know how it played on tV but the stadium was upset with the call at 1B that hit the runner. People were pulling up the replay on their smartphones and saying it was a bogus call. I just saw it on TV. It was the right call. The player intentionallly ran out of the baseline to take away the throwing lane on the pitcher. Against the rules and an automatic out and dead ball.

They were upset about the 3 errors. They were upset with all the Cardinal fans in the stadium. Pissed at all the season ticket holders that sold their tickets to us.

Then the "infield fly" happened. The Cardinal women were truly concerned for their safety.

At the local section I was in, I had to deal with a drunk who couldnt understand why ATL wasnt beating the lowly Cardinals. Real mouthy the whole game.

Right before the home run that Holliday hit, he was yelling at Holliday to go back to Colorado if he wanted to hit a home run. This is the South, your not hitting one here, there is no thin air here in the South. After the home run I turned around and told him that the air seems find to me. He became enraged, threatening me. I just ignored him the rest of the game and his other buddies calmed him down.

Where were the ushers? You dont have ushers at the games?

Cobb Galleria area. 4 star hotel. Went and took a shower to get the beer off us and then, the sauna, hot tub, pool. Then to the bar and some blue moons.

all in all, a damn good day. :thumb:

I understand what happened now. you don't really see this from field level but check it out. Apparently Turner Field had been redone and the umps definitely got the INFIELD fly rule right.

http://i.imgur.com/O4yEq.jpg

Thank God for Harold Reynolds.

If anyone is still losing their minds over this call, try to find his explanation of it on MLB network where he shows that exact call being made in a very similar situation in a regular season game. Starlin Castro floated out that far into the OF and as soon as he settled under it, the umpire put the hand up. Castro caught it so it was no big deal, but it was a virtual carbon copy of yesterday all the way up to the out being called.

The rule reads simply: If an infielder can make the play with ordinary effort, as soon as it's apparent, the umpire makes the immediate infield fly call. He has no discretion not to make the call as the rule clearly reads shall make the infield fly call.

The only question was the ordinary effort and when Kozma camped under it and put his hand out (a universal 'got it' call by a camped IFer), it became an ordinary effort play and the umpire immediately put his hand up. Ordinary effort doesn't mean 'routine', it means he could do what a SS would do under ordinary circumstances and make the catch. When someone says "just because it should be made doesn't mean it's routine', they're exactly right...and that's why the rule reads the way it does. "Should be made" is the standard as written, not 'routine'.

The timing gripe is wrong - it has to be immediate upon the OFer getting camped, not immediate upon impact.

I understand Braves fans frustration and I'd probably be there with them, but I don't see any other way to read that rule folks. Reynolds agreed.

This was a 'tuck rule' situation - it was the right call of a flawed rule.

Which is wasn't.

Spot on.

How do you figure? As soon as Kozma camped under it, put his arm out and set his feet under him, Holbrook punched out the runner.

Holbrook got unlucky here in that as soon as Kozma set his feet, he inexplicably moved forward, but Holbrook had no way to know he was doing that when the call was made - how could he?

Hell, if anything, being more deliberate on the call could've prevented the teeth gnashing because he wouldn't have ended up making it. In the end, the 'immediacy' of the call as soon as Kozma appeared to be setting his feet and camping under the ball is what led to the controversy.

I can't deny my bias here, but I really think they got this one right (and I know they got the baserunner interference call right). At worst, this call off-sets the 2-run bomb that Ross hit after the umpire foolishly gave him a late time call.