Yeah, comparing Luck to guys that played 30+ years ago is a great idea. Actually, no, it's completely irrelevant.

Luck's INT numbers aren't terrible for a guy playing his first three years. TD/INT ratio is worse than Romo, Ryan, Big Ben and Rivers (for mid-tier guys, he's obviously not in the same league as the elites), but better than Cam Newton, Dalton, Flacco and Stafford.

As for INT percentage, he's currently tied iwth Tannehill, Rivers, Romo and Big Ben. A bit behind Flacco, Ryan, Alex Smith, and Bradford.

So, really, "not bad", but hardly at any kind of elite level. He's nowhere near operating at an elite level. At least not yet.

What's concerning, if you're a fan of the Colts, is that he seems to have gone the wrong way this year. Of course, his line and skill position players blow, so hard to blame him entirely for that.

But three years in is three years in. If he was going to be AWESOME giggity giggity, he should be starting to show it by now. He ain't. Maybe he's a late bloomer (see Brees, Drew), but only time will tell.

Could well be. Exactly how Patriots fans viewed Drew Bledsoe. We desperately wnated him to be Elway or Marino. He wasn't, and never would be.

That doesn't make him terrible. It just means he's not teh AWESOME.

A few random comments re: this.

First, the Patriots have been in fundamentally the same offense (in terms of concepts) for 15 years. Changes in offensive coordinators haven't mattered much when it comes to the offensive philosophy. Very few QBs (probably NO QBs, actually) get to be with the same HC and same offense for 15 freaking years.

Second, BB has purposefully built the offense THIS way. Long-developing plays are great, and Brady to Moss was very pretty, but if your OL can't hold their blocks long enough, then it wont' matter. See 2007 Super Bowl. The current offense has no deep threats, except Gronk, sorta, but rather has a bunch of smurfs who all are great at route running and YAC. If we had the 2007 offense last year, I think the SEahawks beat us just like the Giants did.

Third, Gronk. Not only the best receiving TE in the league, also the best blocking TE in the league. Brutal to deal with. He's the straw that stirs the drink.

Fourth, all the key skill players have been in teh system with Brady for AT LEAST three years now. Gronk, Edelman and Amendola. LaFell isn't even out there, but Dobson (third year) is filling in nicely. With Dion Lewis being a great imitation of Kevin Faulk already, they are clicking on all cylinders.

It's sort of a perfect storm of offensive awesomeness. But that will matter less and less as the weather goes south, people get hurt, and especially if the defense can't hold its end of the bargain.

The context is the course of a season. If you lead the league in INT's you're not having a great season...

And he's got as high a ceiling as any QB to ever be drafted but that doesn't mean he ever reaches it.

Kerry Collins took a 2nd year expansion team to the NFCC game, the Titans to a 13-3 record, and the Giants to a SB. Unlimited potential but it was never reached because his first 5 years were spent being a complete idiot.

Mike Vick, Jeff George, etc...

Yes. His arm was AMAZING. He could throw any pass, anywhere, any time.

And he had a very good coach (Parcells), and after a couple of years he had elite players at the skill positions -- Curtis Martin at RB and Ben Coates at TE. They got the Pats to a SB so I have no complaints.

Bledsoe coudl absolutely LIGHT IT UP when he was "on", but too often he made too many mistakes. Held the ball too long, not much pocket awareness, staring down receivers, FAR more interested in the big strike than taking the checkdown that was RIGHT THERE, etc. etc. etc.


And the ultrabusts. Ryan Leaf (2nd in draft), Rick Mirer (2nd in draft, not an ultra bust, but not good), etc ad infinitum.

He should get credit for turning that franchise around though.

The Pats were awful in the early 90s. And he was good pretty much immediately.

He never did seem to reach his ceiling though.

Maybe he should have tried cheating. That seems to work.

Bledsoe has 70 pass attempts in a game once. Holy sh*t

The only time Brady was a big deep ball guy was when he had Randy Moss. He could throw up jump balls and it'd work. When he started, he won three Super Bowls with the short passing attack. That's what Weis wanted to do, spread the field and stretch the defense out. The game has changed and everyone is passing more and spreading the field.

drew bledsoe operates a winery now.. if i recall correctly

I think it's safe to assume Luck won't be anywhere near a bust but I think people need to lower their expectations.

****ing Dan Marino never won a SB because of his craptastic running game, O line, and defense. At times he had 1 of the three but most times he didn't.

A top 10 offensive line makes an average HB look great, clearly helps the QB, and even a respectable D with the two above is a playoff team.

Indi was much better about building a "team" around Manning than they have been with Luck...

Another reason I like the guy...

No game thread tonight?

That Hail Mary was ****ing awesome. Horrible defense by the Colts.

I guess we are using this :(

Yup put the texans right back in the game