I don't think so.

Seitzer's offensive philosophy has been hard up the middle and gap-to-gap. This is sound. I also think he's been a proponent of patience at the plate. In short, he's been an exemplary chicken-salad chef.

OBP, along with a lot of fundamental skills, cannot be taught at the ML level.

Want more scariness? Scroll down and listen to the Dayton Moore interview from 7/19. Patience, Royals fans. "The Process" is setting up a date of 2014-15. Sweet.

http://www.810whb.com/podcasts

Looking at the MiLB box scores this morning, I notice that Gordon walked and hit a homer, and Ka'aihue hit 2 homers. Both of them have an OPS above 1.100.

If no one wants to trade for Podsednik or Guillen, then just bench them.

I like the nice win streak we went on but honestly I'm glad to see us slide a little bit. Maybe now the false sense of hope will fade and we'll actually move these guys and call up some people.

Exactly, the trade deadline can't get here fast enough. It will actually be more exciting to see both of them up and playing, even if gordon is the same

Prepare thyself for a THUD at the trade deadline.

I expect no value from any of the trades we make, im just hoping more so to get Kila up here

Disco Hayes, we hardly knew ye.

I agree with you on Seitzer. He's been good for the franchise.

When is the trade deadline?

July 31st.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...e=MLBHeadlines

Still would be wise to listen to all offers for Soria.

Who's Sean O'Sullivan? Angels can give us Brandon Wood to play SS

mlbtraderumors.com

The Angels want something for nothing, simply put.

Callaspo's line this year is not good.

Yeah I think anyone would turn down that deal.

I looked up his minor league stats. Not interested at all, at least not for that. If thats the best we can do for Callaspo, I keep him and if I dont want to sign him long-term, I hope he qualifies as a Type-B free agent for the draft pick.

I am glad Moore is holding strong on getting good value for our players, something I don't feel like Baird did the best job of. However, I don't want to end up with them all still on the roster august 1st.

Any chance Elvis Lerew could die in a fire. WTF is this docuhe still in the fkg rotation?:cuss:

Meche is starting his rehab this week. .....not that I'm expecting him to be any better.

Yeah, do anybody know the Sabermetrics behind him? There is something that indicates if a hitter is getting lucky or unlucky. Maybe that will help us. I only ask because he's a great contact hitter. Problem is he can't walk for shit, neither can any of our team.

I figured 2013 would be the year just judging by our young talent.

2013 is the schedule for the first wave, but Moore says the second wave will be 2014-15, and this is when we can expect to be competitive.

I remember posting...in 05 on this message board....as a frickin joke that we will be ready in 14......anyone remember that? I would troll and put "gordon rumored for trading block"

06-25-2004, 02:51 PM
Royals young pitcher Zach Grienke is the talk of rumors these days. With pitches that vary from 90 mph to 65 mph he is a hitters worst nightmare and a owners dream. "Realistically we know we can't keep him" GM Allan Baird said. "We will have to trade him now to get what we can, because we know he won't be coming back in 2008" The talk around the diamonds is a 3 Way deal Sending Grienke to the yankees, Yankees sending books to Lincoln Junior High, and in turn the royals get the rights to a soft throwing left handed kickball pitcher. "It's a sad state of affairs, but I think we are getting good value" Baird said.

If we're really playing for 2014, I'd absolutely consider trade offers for Greinke, and Soria will definitely need to be dealt.

Also, if you believe in Hosmer, it's time to find out what the return would be for Butterball.

Honestly, though, talk of 2014-15 is complete and utter garbage and sounds like a pitiful excuse for someone who is posturing for job reasons.

could it really hurt to have Rany stop popping zits and get paid full time?

I'm glad to hear that I'm not one of the only people that would listen to offers for Butler. We have like 10 first basement coming up, and Butler is a DH playing 1B. I'm not saying give him away, but alot of Royal fans say he is untradeable.

You trade him based on the responses to the following criteria:

1. Do you believe the power will develop?
2. Payroll limitations (*cough* bullshit)

As I've said in other threads, if what we see now is what Butterball's fat ass will be, he's a #2 hitter. And I don't want to hear the "But he can't bunt or run!!11" cries. Luckily, it's not '77.

He could also project in the 5 hole. But he's currently not a #3-4. What is this type of DH worth to the organization, financially speaking, too?

In an ideal world, I keep him. DH him, and put him in the 2 hole.

I'd rather have Butler at 7 than 2. I don't care how good he hits. We could have Adam Dunn, Mike Piazza, and Louie Anderson at 3/4/5 and he'd still clog them up on the bases.

Sure, but I think that's too late for a guy who could be a consistent .320/.380/.485, with a ton of doubles.

Yeah, he clogs the bases. But there's a lot to be said for the fact that he's consistently on them, often in scoring position. Thus, I'll take my chances with his lumbering lack of athleticism.

"Clogging the bases" is one of the more overrated concerns in all of baseball.

No, saying clogging the bases is overrated is one of the most overrated things in baseball. But that's a whole other argument I'm not going to waste the next 100 posts on.

Bottom line, if Butler is what he is... and we certainly don't know that yet... I'd still rather have Alex Gordon batting in the 2 hole. I don't mean that you need a guy who can steal 70 bases there or bunt or any 1985 baseball stuff. But if that #2 guy singles, Hosmer comes up next and hits a double, that #2 guy needs to be a pretty safe bet to score from first. That is what I think.

I think when we give Alex Gordon an entire season he's going to do fine. Are we just trying to screw him so we can hang onto him longer? Is that why we have him down there. As is, how long do we have him locked up for?

I most likely wouldn't trade Butler because the odds all these guys pan out isn't that high...Hosmer and Moustakas sure I can see them panning out, but that still leaves Butler with a spot.

A guy like Kila that's questionable if he'd even come close to being what Butler is.

And the winner by forfeit - Reaper16!

Depends on the return. But there are so many warts in Butler's overall game that his worth is probably greater to the Royals than any other team, just like every other decent ****ing player not named Soria or Greinke on the roster.

I'm all for trading guys it's just when you have a spot for a DH you might as well not go trading that guy till you're sure you have another guy.

Preferably the Royals would get 2 months this year and next year to see if Kila can get it done playing everyday.

Don't agree with that. We need to sell high on flawed commodities.

But, as I said, in an ideal world I'd keep Butterball. It's just interesting to talk about in light of Moore's 2014-15 bullshit.

I doubt you'd get much for him, no NL team is going to want him, there are better hitters on the market most contending AL teams have a DH.

I don't really view Butler as a problem other than he should probably be a 6 or 7 hitter instead of a 3 or 4 hitter.

No, he's not a "problem," but I'll stand by my statement that you don't have a player with his OBP, doubles, and OPS hitting that low in the order.

Sure you can, it just means your lineup is good.

The thing will be if the Royals can actually develop the rest of the bats.

Butler is a poor man's Tony Gwynn. Gwynn always batted in the #2 hole.

In his younger days Gwynn was a far superior base runner than Butler is.

I doubt you have paid attention to baseball that closely this year then because the DH's have sucked this year.

Not really. Even in his ridiculous 1997 season - in which the ball was at its juiciest - Gwynn had fewer XBH than Butler did at age 23.

Billy Butler is one of the best young hitters in the game. Is he ever going to hit 40 bombs? No, probably not. But I can live with a guy hitting 25 a year in his prime, with 45 2Bs, especially when he hits .320.

Butler is falling victim, it seems, to a little of the same hometown hate David DeJesus feels. He's being very underrated by most on this board.

Billy's biggest problem? He doesn't want to play here, and the fans know it.

honest question here.

what makes you say that?

There were some comments about him being frustrated about playing in KC because of the lack of attention and he thought it was hurting him all star voting wise a few weeks ago. I of course can't find them now. I personally think some Royals fans over value him. He is the 4th best 1st basemen in the division, he has turned into a singles hitter and will hit into twice as many double plays as homeruns this year.

He is the best player along with DDJ on this team, easily. He isn't overvalued imo

Ah, almost the trade deadline, and the only thing we have left to look forward to this year is how quickly we can dismantle this POS team. As David Byrne once said "Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was....Same as it....ever.....was!"

I'm reminded of my favorite Onion Sports Story ever, from 2005:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/dyi...ty-royal,5029/

Just things that have been discussed here and in the general media.

Interesting perspective on his place among 1st basemen; I've never thought about it that way. That said, he's younger than those other guys too. He may well get to their level or higher at some point.

I don't see it like this. Rather, it's being honest about the player.

Butler is a very good hitter, not *great* at this point, though he might move into this latter category in the future. I doubt it, but it is possible. However, he has almost no baseball instincts anywhere else on the diamond and is thus a liability in the field and on the bases.

DeJesus is a nice player. Nothing more. Not enough power for the corners; not enough glove for CF.

The "in-division" thing is kind of silly. I guarantee most teams would rather have butler long term than konerko, for one thing. for another, Cabrera and Morenau are both top 5-8 1b in baseball In THE PRIME of their careers. Which Butler hasn't hit yet...

24-year-old hitters with 20-25 HR power (what Butler has - I'm sure he will get to at least 21 again) who hit 40 2nd and are perennial .300 hitters are rare and valuable.

C'mon man there's only room for superstars on this team. :rolleyes:

That being said...you do have to analyze where you're at and when you expect to compete. No matter what you have in your system you can't just assume that someone will pan out. Butler's a good hitter and is a fine DH even if he's not your power bat which the Royals desperately need. Move Guillen for anything you can get, put Billy at DH, and give Kila his shot. Gordon can play outfield. It's time to see what we have.

Butler is the last person we need to worry about getting traded, that being said anyone should be available for the right price at this point.

Butler is better defensively than Kila nbut I agree on giving him a shot and getting both in the lineup naming room Gordon works, too.

Just trying to point out: yes, butler has flaws. But there are few run producing 24 year olds I'd rather have.

No kidding. And you're right I wasn't thinking clearly Butler should probably stay at first with kila at DH. We'll see what happens.

HEY...Zack won 5-2 today. Bryan Pena with three hits. Whoo Hoo!

On to play the Yank Me's.

Chen vs. Sabathia. That'll be ugly.

Damn, I forgot they played today and not tonight.

Over/under on the number of runs the Yankees will score in a four-game series against a rotation of Chen, Bannister, Davies, and Lerew (perhaps someone else if he's still hurting)?

Let's put the number at 28.

I say "over."

3 hits today from Bryan Pena? I can't wait for his next scheduled start on August 17th!

You're giving Yost to much credit, his next start is scheduled for sept 23rd

I will say, Rany addressed Butler's GIDP statistic well in a recent blog.

Lamb dominant in High A again tonight. 7.1 innings, 1 earned run (3 total runs), no walks and 8 Ks. Here's the stat that jumped out to me though. Of the 13 putouts in the field.....all 13 were on the ground. Wow.

Moose just hit a HR to tie it in the 8th....off mike macdougal

Impossible. He's only putting up good numbers this year because of the NW Naturals home park...

Mike Macdougal=NW ARK home park

I believe moose is hitting around .200 right now but he is hitting some jacks, and thats good to see

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/spo...ing-the-royals

have a feeling its too good to be true, and it is jack harry which is only a small step above the ass clown, but it could be the best news i've heard in a while.

LMAO, no way he sells the team...he makes alot now with dogshit

Yeah, Shanahan is a done deal.

Plus, everyone just assumes it would be a good thing. It could be. But there are plenty of Jeffrey Loria's out there he could sell it to.

theres a reason this is on 'jacks smack'

no way he actually airs this bs

What an impressively stupid ****. I believe there is a stipulation that Glass cannot profit from the sale of the team.

LOL, i believe i remember hearing that as well...

Actually googling, glass had 5 years he couldn't sell the team and make a profit, he actually can do that now

Glass is involved in intense financial negotiations with Priest's spinal tumor.

I'm really not supposed to divulge this information, but word on the street is that Al Saunders is going to be the next coach of the Royals.

Bullshit. The Detroit Lions haven't fired him yet.