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ChiefsCountry 06-06-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802908)
I don't think the MWC deserves one.

Currently, the SEC, Big XII, ACC, Big 10 and Pac-10 deserve auto-bids, IMO.

If the Big XII were to dissolve with Texas, OU, etc. going to the Pac-10 and Mizzou, Nebraska going to the Big 10 then I'd rather just the 4 remaining conferences from the above list get auto-bids.

Big East deserves one. Its top team can compete with the big boys.

DaKCMan AP 06-06-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802915)
Because you are constantly taking this SEC is all powerful view of things and it's tired.

No it's not.

DaKCMan AP 06-06-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6802921)
Big East deserves one. Its top team can compete with the big boys.

Which top team are you referring to? The one that got embarrassed in the Sugar Bowl?

Bambi 06-06-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802908)
I don't think the MWC deserves one.

Currently, the SEC, Big XII, ACC, Big 10 and Pac-10 deserve auto-bids, IMO.

If the Big XII were to dissolve with Texas, OU, etc. going to the Pac-10 and Mizzou, Nebraska going to the Big 10 then I'd rather just the 4 remaining conferences from the above list get auto-bids.

This is precisely what so many men in collegiate athletics have worked so hard to prevent for so many years.

A country with 4 super conferences would cease to be college football. It may not be pro but its definitely morphed to something else.

vailpass 06-06-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802932)
This is precisely what so many men in collegiate athletics have worked so hard to prevent for so many years.

A country with 4 super conferences would cease to be college football. It may not be pro but its definitely morphed to something else.

That ship sailed long ago.

DaKCMan AP 06-06-2010 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802932)
This is precisely what so many men in collegiate athletics have worked so hard to prevent for so many years.

A country with 4 super conferences would cease to be college football. It may not be pro but its definitely morphed to something else.

And giving other conferences an auto-bid prevents super conferences? Please. The other teams can still get to BCS games just like they are able to currently. Just not through an auto-bid.

Bambi 06-06-2010 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802941)
And giving other conferences an auto-bid prevents super conferences? Please. The other teams can still get to BCS games just like they are able to currently. Just not through an auto-bid.

OK, say the PAC-10 becomes 16 and the Big becomes 14...

Do you stay with a 2 bid limit for each conference?

vailpass 06-06-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6802952)
OK, say the PAC-10 becomes 16 and the Big becomes 14...

Do you stay with a 2 bid limit for each conference?

I've been wondering the same thing. Also are ties between conferences and bowls affected i.e. Rose Bowl B10-Pac10?

chiefsfan987 06-06-2010 08:17 PM

Someone should post the records of conferences in BCS games. I'm pretty sure the ACC and Big XII suck in that category.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6802909)
What are the odds of them NOT getting the invite? If not from the Big 10, from anyone?

any chance is a big chance with these stakes although i think they are odds on favorites to get a spot with the Big 10 unless Notre Dame shows up.

vailpass 06-06-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6802967)
any chance is a big chance with these stakes although i think they are odds on favorites to get a spot with the Big 10 unless Notre Dame shows up.

Everything I hear says MU gets the invite even if ND joins. B10 needs to get to 16 teams.

Bambi 06-06-2010 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan987 (Post 6802964)
Someone should post the records of conferences in BCS games. I'm pretty sure the ACC and Big XII suck in that category.

Yes those are the two worst conferences.

Only Texas and Kansas have winning BCS records from the Big 12. Embarrassing

Oklahoma (2-5)
Texas (3-1)
Nebraska (1-1)
Kansas (1-0)
Colorado (0-1)
Kansas State (0-1)
Texas A&M (0-1)

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6802974)
Everything I hear says MU gets the invite even if ND joins. B10 needs to get to 16 teams.

nobody really knows .... but i've heard that the Big 10 wants 16 teams unless they get Notre Dame. Then they just add ND and stop at 12 because of ND's wide national appeal. Adding Notre Dame adds to their national t.v. audience while only increasing the dividing up of profits by 1 school.

At least for awhile ... until they see what impact ND has on their t.v. market.

Bambi 06-06-2010 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6802990)
nobody really knows .... but i've heard that the Big 10 wants 16 teams unless they get Notre Dame. Then they just add ND and stop at 12 because of ND's wide national appeal. Adding Notre Dame adds to their national t.v. audience while only increasing the dividing up of profits by 1 school.

At least for awhile ... until they see what impact ND has on their t.v. market.

I'd have to think this is true.

As much as MU would add with TV sets they bring nothing with athletic accomplishment (no national titles to add to the count for commercials)...

Shoot, you add Notre Dame and we're talking about getting the BTN on in New York City.....there's some real money.

Plus you get the mother load of prestige.

If ND joins the Big 10, MU and NEB should get their Big 12 boarding passes printed and get on that plane.

KChiefs1 06-06-2010 08:31 PM

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...xpansion060610

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Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe all but killed his own conference on April 30, 2008.

That’s when he decided to team up with the Big Ten and Pac-10 to reject a four-team playoff being pushed by the SEC and ACC. If the Big 12 (and/or the Big East) had supported it, the so-called “Plus One” model likely would’ve happened.

Even that modest playoff would have meant hundreds of millions of additional revenue for college athletics. It would have then allowed for easy expansion for an even more lucrative 16-team postseason. That would have solved all the monetary concerns that have left the Big 12 on the verge of collapse at the hands of its one-time allies, the Big Ten and Pac-10.

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany admitted to Congress a 16-team playoff could gross four times what the current Bowl Championship Series does – in other words about $900 million annually.

He opposed it anyway. Beebe and the others never seemed to ask why.

They’re finding out now.

Conference expansion is about to forever alter college athletics: destroying traditions, hammering taxpayers and increasing competition. It will leave once-major programs out of the loop, consolidate power and extend the gap between haves and have nots – even within leagues such as the Big Ten.

No one is in a more desperate spot than the Big 12, which this week could see as many as eight league members receive invites to leave.

It’s all because of money. And when it comes to money in college athletics it all comes back to one thing – the leaking oil disaster that is the BCS.

There are two major revenue streams left in college sports – football television contracts and a football postseason. (The men’s basketball tournament is essentially maxed out.)

It’s clear now that Delany used opposition to a football playoff not to preserve some bit of “tradition.” His expansion plans clearly indicate he cares nothing about that. It certainly wasn’t done for the sake of aiding Big Ten football, since a playoff with on-campus home games likely would’ve helped his teams.

The goal was to starve out the Big 12, Big East and even the ACC of the hundreds of millions a playoff would’ve given them and thus turn the future of college sports into a battle of television sets.

Delany couldn’t assure that the Big Ten would’ve done well in a football playoff. Maybe the league would’ve succeeded, maybe not. With 26 percent of the nation’s population, tradition rich clubs and its own cable network though, the Big Ten will always dominate if everything boils down to TV revenue.

It was a genius, cutthroat throat play. He set the terms of the game so he’d win. The Pac-10, led by aggressive new commissioner Larry Scott, is taking advantage also. I’m not blaming Delany here. I may not believe a 16-team Big Ten (or Pac-10) is in the best interest of the league’s current members (or the NCAA as a whole), but it’s not that big of a deal to me. Whatever happens, happens. Besides, it’s not Delany’s fault he’s smarter than the other guys.


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Am I being too hard on Beebe? Not even close. He’s been played like a fiddle. In April, while Delany was assuring the other commissioners his league wouldn’t contact schools about expansion without informing them first, Beebe offered this bit of naivete.

“I expect that Jim, who I have known for many, many years and trust implicitly, [will] do what he said he’s going to do,” Beebe said. “If and when the time comes that they’re going to do anything – and if that includes any of the institutions in the Big 12 – he’ll let me know first.”

This week the Columbus Dispatch printed e-mails between Delany and Ohio State president Gordon Gee that detailed Gee reaching out to the University of Texas to broach interest about the Big Ten.

So much for Mr. “Trust Implicitly.”

Why Beebe and Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese ever felt safe with Delany is mystery. The guy is an assassin. He’s always been public about his desire to do whatever he feels is best for the Big Ten (or at least his “legacy”).

Rather than helping him block the Plus One, they should’ve been explaining to their presidents that a full playoff was imperative to survival.

And let’s forget the ridiculous notion that the presidents are vehemently opposed to a playoff. The presidents will do whatever their commissioner says. It’s always been that case and the expansion chaos proves it. Ohio State’s Gee has been an anti-playoff guy in part because of “missed class time,” even if none would be missed under a playoff that takes place during semester break.

Yet now he’s in favor of adding Texas to the Big Ten, meaning he’ll ship all of his athletes all the way to Austin which would cause … missed class time for hundreds of students.

It’s all a pile of garbage. Here’s guessing the schools that could be left behind – which could include Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State, Colorado, Louisville, West Virginia, South Florida and so on – will soon be furious they weren’t told the truth about what they were really opposing. The Plus One wasn’t a postseason plan, it was a lifeline.

Those presidents deserve their own blame, of course. They should’ve learned the truth about the BCS and recognized the need to find revenue outside of just television deals. They should’ve been building their own alliance for a richer and more equitable postseason.

In 2008, the smaller leagues and Notre Dame would’ve almost assuredly gone along. The ACC and SEC were clearly open to discussion. If a 16-team playoff wasn’t possible, at the very least the Plus One was. It’d be a different ballgame right now if just that was in place.

Instead the leagues blindly followed along with a revenue model that has left them susceptible to destruction.


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This isn’t the time to deal with all the issues surrounding the BCS or explain how a 16-team playoff works (on the field or in the checkbook).

I’ve covered it extensively in the past and helped write a book on the subject – “Death to the BCS,” due out in October. Sorry for the shameless plug, but when I say it takes an entire book to show all the scams and lies that really power the system, I mean it.

Just know this, the BCS offers not a single, real world, tangible benefit to college athletics. Its only defense is that it’s better than the old system, which isn’t saying much.

Financially is where it performs most poorly. The current bowl system/BCS generated $220 million in gross revenue in 2008-09 and just $140 million in profit due to the high cost of keeping most bowl games afloat. If this sounds good, it isn’t.

Delany estimates a playoff could gross $880 million. The more conservative, yet exhaustively researched estimate we used in the book comes in at around $780 million. In each case profits would exceed $700 million, meaning the BCS is costing college athletics over half a billion in annual profit.

Delany was one of the people instrumental in hiring public relations flaks Ari Fleischer and Bill Hancock to spread factually bankrupt propaganda about the system in an effort to create the illusion of a debate – hey, maybe the BCS works! Please. It doesn’t. The current chaos is just the latest proof. The real purpose of the PR campaign was merely to buy time for the Big Ten Network to get fully operational.

The BCS has killed everyone financially. It’s killed them to the point only a dozen or so schools break even each year on athletics. Most athletic departments need student fees or taxpayer funded general university budgets to cover expenses (nearly $900 million combined in 2008-09 according to USA Today).

That includes even Big Ten schools such as Illinois ($4.5 million), Wisconsin ($3.4 million) and Minnesota ($3.4 million). Even a powerhouse such as Ohio State needed to raise ticket prices this year to balance future books.

All while that pile of playoff money sat there, untapped.

Protecting the BCS wasn’t about greed. It wasn’t about determining a real champion. It was about power. Now the Pac-10 and Big Ten have it.

The 16-team playoff was the only route to save the Big 12, Big East and likely the ACC as its now constructed. Under our detailed plan (essentially the NCAA’s model for lower divisions), every time a team plays a game it would receive a share of revenue, in this case $25 million.

Consider the 2008-09 season where Big 12 members Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech all would’ve been selected. If the seeds held, those clubs would’ve combined to play nine playoff games meaning the league would’ve walked with $225 million in revenue. The conference then could’ve written each league school an $18.75 million check just from the playoff. That year the Big Ten would’ve earned just three shares for $75 million, a per team share of $6.8 million.

If that’s happening, do you think Missouri and Nebraska still want out? You think the Big Ten’s TV revenue advantage still matters?

This all goes back to the cost of inaction, the penalty for not dealing with the sport’s most pressing problem.

There should be no reason for these leagues to expand (other than the Big Ten adding one team).

Sixteen-team leagues won’t make life better for anyone. They’ll likely prove to be logistical and philosophical wars. The commissioners have sold the public on the idea that more money is always a good thing – using the fail-proof, if unproven, “it’s good for recruiting” line. Here’s the thing, if all your rivals build a new weight room, then recruits aren’t impressed with a new weight room.

It won’t be better for fans or players or even, in many regards, coaches, who will face greater demands for success. More money only means something to the small group of people (athletic directors, commissioners, coaches) who will see their already huge salaries grow, will be able to charter more private planes and will continue to justify remodeling their already opulent “facilities.”

If you’re a powerhouse in your league, why would you want to change anything? It isn’t getting better for Texas and Oklahoma than the current Big 12, where the two programs have reached five of the last seven BCS title games.

If you’re in the middle of the pack, why would you add more competition in recruiting and a watered-down schedule? If you’re Minnesota or Northwestern and trying to sell tickets, do you want more Rutgers home games and less Ohio State? Or to deal with Nebraska recruiting the Twin Cities or Chicagoland?


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It’s almost assuredly too late for the Big 12 and the Big East to make the bold moves that could save them.

They could try though. If Beebe and current Big East commissioner John Marinatto want to display real leadership, they can tell their current members to sit tight and allow them to build a consensus for a real football postseason that will solve all their revenue problems. They need to stand up and declare Armageddon is here and it’s time to get serious. The other leagues and Notre Dame would be all for it. The SEC and ACC would be smart to approve simply as a defense against Big Ten and Pac-10 aggression. Or in the ACC’s case, the inevitable SEC pillaging of its teams.

Go ahead and dare the Big Ten and Pac-10 to not come along. See how long Gordon Gee lasts as Ohio State president when he tells Buckeye fans they will no longer be competing for the national title. In the meantime, send your recruiters to Cleveland and Detroit.

A 16-team playoff could be up and running by 2014 – which would immediately change all the revenue models.

Then Beebe could show that teams such as Nebraska and Texas could make more money while enjoying a clearer road to that thrilling postseason by staying home. He would be able to offer a future that’s brighter than the one offered by the Big Ten or Pac-10.

At the end of the day this has always been about the BCS and billions in revenue it has cost cash-starved college athletics.

Jim Delany just didn’t tell his peers.

And they weren’t smart enough to figure it out themselves.

vailpass 06-06-2010 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6802990)
nobody really knows .... but i've heard that the Big 10 wants 16 teams unless they get Notre Dame. Then they just add ND and stop at 12 because of ND's wide national appeal. Adding Notre Dame adds to their national t.v. audience while only increasing the dividing up of profits by 1 school.
At least for awhile ... until they see what impact ND has on their t.v. market.

That makes a lot of sense. It's fun to speculate isn't it? It is hard for me to concieve of having any other teams in the B10.

No matter how it plays out its going to take some getting used to; I like the fact that in the B10 the regular season matters. Makes every game important since there is no playoff to allow you back in it.

Bambi 06-06-2010 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6803001)
That makes a lot of sense. It's fun to speculate isn't it? It is hard for me to concieve of having any other teams in the B10.

No matter how it plays out its going to take some getting used to; I like the fact that in the B10 the regular season matters. Makes every game important since there is no playoff to allow you back in it.

Although the Championship game can end up hurting teams more than it helps it's still a bigtime event. And it gives us what we all want in the end, more football.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6802990)
nobody really knows .... but i've heard that the Big 10 wants 16 teams unless they get Notre Dame. Then they just add ND and stop at 12 because of ND's wide national appeal. Adding Notre Dame adds to their national t.v. audience while only increasing the dividing up of profits by 1 school.

At least for awhile ... until they see what impact ND has on their t.v. market.

The Pac 10/Texas ultimatum changes that. They're looking to go to 16 teams. Again, if there are going to be four 16 team "super conferences" the Big 10 will be one of them.

The move just puts more pressure on the Big 10 to move quickly, and stay ahead of the game.

ChiefsCountry 06-06-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6802929)
Which top team are you referring to? The one that got embarrassed in the Sugar Bowl?

Since expansion, other than Cincinnati the past two years, its champion has won its BCS game. They beat the Big 12, SEC, and ACC champion in those games.

vailpass 06-06-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 6802998)

Very interesting read.Is the B12 Commish as bad as the article paints him to be?

vailpass 06-06-2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803007)
Although the Championship game can end up hurting teams more than it helps it's still a bigtime event. And it gives us what we all want in the end, more football.

I agree. I'm for a National Championship playoff series; I just like the non-playoff regular season the B10 has always had. I'm prepared for the fact that may be coming to an end.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6803016)
Very interesting read.Is the B12 Commish as bad as the article paints him to be?

He's a sock puppet, with Texas' hand up his ass and controlling his every action.

vailpass 06-06-2010 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803024)
He's a sock puppet, with Texas' hand up his ass and controlling his every action.

:D That is a visual I really didn't need. I take it there is some resentment among non-Texas B12 schools that the commish doesn't represent all their interests equally?

Bambi 06-06-2010 08:42 PM

haha, it would be funny for Bebee to stand up tomorrow and say this...

It’s almost assuredly too late for the Big 12 and the Big East to make the bold moves that could save them.

They could try though. If Beebe and current Big East commissioner John Marinatto want to display real leadership, they can tell their current members to sit tight and allow them to build a consensus for a real football postseason that will solve all their revenue problems. They need to stand up and declare Armageddon is here and it’s time to get serious. The other leagues and Notre Dame would be all for it. The SEC and ACC would be smart to approve simply as a defense against Big Ten and Pac-10 aggression. Or in the ACC’s case, the inevitable SEC pillaging of its teams.

Go ahead and dare the Big Ten and Pac-10 to not come along. See how long Gordon Gee lasts as Ohio State president when he tells Buckeye fans they will no longer be competing for the national title. In the meantime, send your recruiters to Cleveland and Detroit.

A 16-team playoff could be up and running by 2014 – which would immediately change all the revenue models.

Then Beebe could show that teams such as Nebraska and Texas could make more money while enjoying a clearer road to that thrilling postseason by staying home. He would be able to offer a future that’s brighter than the one offered by the Big Ten or Pac-10.

At the end of the day this has always been about the BCS and billions in revenue it has cost cash-starved college athletics.

Jim Delany just didn’t tell his peers.

And they weren’t smart enough to figure it out themselves.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803011)
The Pac 10/Texas ultimatum changes that. They're looking to go to 16 teams. Again, if there are going to be four 16 team "super conferences" the Big 10 will be one of them.

The move just puts more pressure on the Big 10 to move quickly, and stay ahead of the game.

you don't know this ... nobody on the outside knows

honestly, i doubt the Pac-10 thing happens anyway.

1. Texas controls the pac-10 thing ... if they don't go, the whole thing doesn't happen.

2. Texas doesn't want to lose control. Right now Texas basically controls an entire conference. They aren't going to give that up easily.

3. law makers are mobilizing in Texas right now to try and block Texas going to the Pac-10 unless they take Baylor too. This would mean that the Pac-10 would have to drop Colorado and add Baylor. This drops the value of the whole deal more than you would think. Because it adds another team to split profits with without adding ANY t.v. market. The Pac-10 is already taking a hit on the t.v. market per school by taking Texas and Texas A&M.

in the end i think Texas bails and the whole Pac-10/big 12 south merger fails.


imo MU/Neb decide to go to the Big 10 ... they stay 1 more year in the Big 12. After that the Big 12 adds another couple of schools and moves on from there.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6803027)
:D That is a visual I really didn't need. I take it there is some resentment among non-Texas B12 schools that the commish doesn't represent all their interests equally?

You have no idea.

Mizzou's just lucky enough to have a viable escape plan.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803031)
you don't know this ... nobody knows this.

honestly, i doubt the Pac-10 thing happens anyway.

1. Texas controls the pac-10 thing ... if they don't go, the whole thing doesn't happen.

2. Texas doesn't want to lose control. Right now Texas basically controls an entire conference. They aren't going to give that up easily.

3. law makers are mobilizing in Texas right now to try and block Texas going to the Pac-10 unless they take Baylor too. This would mean that the Pac-10 would have to drop Colorado and add Baylor. This drops the value of the whole deal more than you would think. Because it adds another team to split profits with without adding ANY t.v. market. The Pac-10 is already taking a hit on the t.v. market per school by taking Texas and Texas A&M.

in the end i think Texas bails and the whole Pac-10/big 12 south merger fails.


imo MU/Neb decide to go to the Big 10 ... they stay 1 more year in the Big 12. After that the Big 12 adds another couple of schools and moves on from there.

Doesn't matter if it does or doesn't... It's gonna spur the Big Ten to action.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803037)
Doesn't matter if it does or doesn't... It's gonna spur the Big Ten to action.

you've been listening to your crazy ass mu brethren too much again.

1. it does matter ... rumors aren't going to be enough to make a conference do something drastic it will have to be a concrete done deal before it does anything.

2. Big 10 started this ... Pac-10 is reacting, not the other way around.

could the Big 10 go to 16 schools ... of course, in fact that is probably the most likely scenario. But Notre Dame could change that .... a lot.

Bambi 06-06-2010 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803059)
you've been listening to your crazy ass mu brethren too much again.

1. it does matter ... rumors aren't going to be enough to make a conference do something drastic it will have to be a concrete done deal before it does anything.

2. Big 10 started this ... Pac-10 is reacting, not the other way around.

could the Big 10 go to 16 schools ... of course, in fact that is probably the most likely scenario. But Notre Dame could change that .... a lot.

I hate to say it but,

Notre Dame > Nebraska + Missouri + Rutgers + Syracuse

It's the only school that has the national appeal combined with the academic excellence that aligns with schools like Michigan and the rest of the Big 10 types

luv 06-06-2010 08:55 PM

I hate Notre Dame.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803059)
you've been listening to your crazy ass mu brethren too much again.

1. it does matter ... rumors aren't going to be enough to make a conference do something drastic it will have to be a concrete done deal before it does anything.

2. Big 10 started this ... Pac-10 is reacting, not the other way around.

could the Big 10 go to 16 schools ... of course, in fact that is probably the most likely scenario. But Notre Dame could change that .... a lot.

Why would they add ND, and call it a day... when other conferences are already making noise about going to 16?

Yes, the Big 10 started it... but now it's just a scramble to see what those 4 conferences are going to be... and what schools are included.

I can't imagine the Big Ten only adding ND. Big changes are coming... and they'll want to be at the front of it.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803080)
I hate Notre Dame.

another thing we can agree on

let's review

1. Chiefs are "the" Team
2. boobies are great
3. Notre Dame is a giant piece of rotten goat ass


:D

Al Bundy 06-06-2010 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803076)
I hate to say it but,

Notre Dame > Nebraska + Missouri + Rutgers + Syracuse

It's the only school that has the national appeal combined with the academic excellence that aligns with schools like Michigan and the rest of the Big 10 types

Notre Dame has lost A LOT of it's luster as a football program, but with them having so many graduates around the nation they do pack the punch.. right now they are no better than the University of Buffalo in football though.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 09:01 PM

"fast tracking"

luv 06-06-2010 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803105)
another thing we can agree on

let's review

1. Chiefs are "the" Team
2. boobie are great
3. Notre Dame is a giant piece of rotten goat ass


:D

Always looking at the positive. ;)

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803121)
Always looking at the positive. ;)

Wait... you talking about Laz? You just broke my brain.

:)

Mizzou_8541 06-06-2010 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803076)
I hate to say it but,

Notre Dame > Nebraska + Missouri + Rutgers + Syracuse

It's the only school that has the national appeal combined with the academic excellence that aligns with schools like Michigan and the rest of the Big 10 types

It sucks to admit as a Mizzou fan, but you are absolutely right. If ND goes, MU and the Nubs aren't. If ND is even considering going to the Big 10, that is bad news for Mizzou. IMO, the longer this drags out, the chances of Mizzou leaving decreases.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803097)
Why would they add ND, and call it a day... when other conferences are already making noise about going to 16?

Yes, the Big 10 started it... but now it's just a scramble to see what those 4 conferences are going to be... and what schools are included.

I can't imagine the Big Ten only adding ND. Big changes are coming... and they'll want to be at the front of it.

why?

because of the simple mathematics of diminishing returns. For every school a conference adds it cuts the financial pie into more,smaller pieces. Adding 5 more teams to the big 10(+1) will have to bring in a lot more money to bring the same profit that just adding a single national school does. That's why so many conferences consider Notre Dame a crown jewel type school to get. National audience increase and only splitting the profits with 1 more school ... it's a HUGE,HUGE bonus.

I realize you want MU to the big 10 ... i don't blame you, Notre Dame could shoot the whole thing into the crapper though. :shrug:

luv 06-06-2010 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803130)
Wait... you talking about Laz? You just broke my brain.

:)

LMAO

baitism 06-06-2010 09:08 PM

All of the speculation about ND is worthless, though. They are not going anywhere. Why would they give up a huge tv contract with NBC to go to the big 10 and have to split their cake with the rest of the conference via the BTN? It doesn't make sense for them.

Titty Meat 06-06-2010 09:09 PM

It's great to be a Jayhawk

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Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803121)
Always looking at the positive. ;)

i try, hon.


i like to think we both agree that eating pussy is great but i just don't think we look at that from the same perspective. :evil:

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803130)
Wait... you talking about Laz? You just broke my brain.

:)

MUrons have brains?


next you will be telling me that the world is really flat


:moon:

luv 06-06-2010 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803155)
i try, hon.


i like to think we both agree that eating pussy is great but i just don't think we look at that from the same perspective. :evil:

Who cares about perspective? Add it to the list.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 09:13 PM

From the NY Times...

Quote:

Pacific-10 and Big Ten Step Toward Expansion
By PETE THAMEL

Two meetings of university presidents on Sunday, the Pacific-10’s in San Francisco and the Big Ten’s in Chicago, could go a long way toward reshaping the alignment of major college athletics.

The most significant news came from the Pac-10 meetings, where presidents voted to give the first-year commissioner Larry Scott authority to move ahead with expansion. With the Pac-10 seriously considering a move to 16 teams, the conference essentially gave Scott permission to hand out invitations to potential new members without consulting its university presidents.

The potential for Pac-10 expansion forced Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany to acknowledge that the Big Ten’s timeline for growth, which had been set at 12 to 18 months in December, could be expedited.


With television money as the biggest driving factor and little regard being given to geography or tradition, the chain reaction could reverberate from coast to coast, although there is still a chance that there could be little or no movement.

The biggest keys to stopping a drastic overhaul of college sports appear to be Missouri and Nebraska, which have been given a two-weekend deadline by Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe to commit to the league long term. (Both have been considered objects of desire for the Big Ten.)

With Texas as his focal point, Scott is expected to attempt to lure six teams from the Big 12 to create the first 16-team superconference. That could produce a domino effect with major college sports featuring four 16-team leagues.

But Texas and other Big 12 powers would prefer to stay together, which is why Nebraska and Missouri are situated in such a key spot. If the Big 12 stays intact, the Pac-10 will probably not expand significantly. If the universities leave, college sports will inevitably change drastically.


“Larry Scott wants to fire the first bullet,” said a Big 12 athletic official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk publicly about the topic. “The pressure is being put on Nebraska and Missouri. Over the next two weeks, we’re going to know where we stand.”

As for the Big Ten, Delany did not reveal much to reporters in Chicago on Sunday, other than to say that the “timeline could be affected.” What is unknown is how hard the Big Ten is pursuing Notre Dame, a football independent that brings considerable value.

Notre Dame wants to maintain its independence, but if it did jump to the Big Ten, which already has 11 teams, it would prefer the league stay at 12 for revenue-sharing reasons.

Publicly, Big 12 athletic directors and officials are saying they hope the status quo remains, because they have built a strong league in football and basketball. Privately, they are scurrying to best position themselves for a potential spot in the Pac-10, which could become the Pac-16.

If the Big 12 does not receive strong commitments from Nebraska and Missouri, the strongest possibility is that Scott will attempt to lure six teams from the Big 12, with Texas as the obvious key. It is unknown when Scott would issue those invitations, but Sunday’s developments appear to speed up the timetable for considering conference expansion.

In the initial report of this proposed expansion, which was first reported by the Texas fan site OrangeBloods.com, Texas would be joined by Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado.

But a Big 12 athletic official with direct knowledge of the conversations with the Pac-10 said Baylor could end up in the league instead of Colorado. Although Colorado brings the coveted Denver television market and significantly more academic prestige than Oklahoma State or Texas Tech, Baylor could move instead.

“Texas is the linchpin,” the athletic official said. “If Texas is to go to the Pac-10, they’re going to have a lot of influence. What we’re being told is that Baylor would be included in that group, probably at the expense of Colorado.”

There is precedent to political sway helping Baylor. When the Big 12 began taking shape in the mid-1990s, Baylor shoehorned its way into the conference, in part, because of the power of Ann Richards, the governor of Texas at the time, who is a Baylor graduate.

If the Pac-10 swiped six teams from the Big 12 and Missouri or Nebraska went to the Big Ten, the Big 12 would become defunct. Under N.C.A.A. guidelines, a conference needs at least six universities that have played together for five years. The Big 12 would lose its Bowl Championship Series bid and automatic bid to the N.C.A.A. basketball tournament. That could leave colleges like Kansas and Kansas State to be snapped up by the Big East, which could be its best bet to continue using the lure of a B.C.S. bid for football recruits.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/sp...onference.html

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baitism (Post 6803148)
All of the speculation about ND is worthless, though. They are not going anywhere. Why would they give up a huge tv contract with NBC to go to the big 10 and have to split their cake with the rest of the conference via the BTN? It doesn't make sense for them.

you're correct, it's all speculation

but with regards to Notre Dame ... which as much as they have been sucking lately they could be getting some pressure from the networks that they are being overpaid for the product they bring. Getting into a BCS conference could switch things up.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803170)

all speculative crap with no more merit then all the opinions we have right here from the BBS.

Bambi 06-06-2010 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6803108)
Notre Dame has lost A LOT of it's luster as a football program, but with them having so many graduates around the nation they do pack the punch.. right now they are no better than the University of Buffalo in football though.

Yes they're down now but they join the Big 10 and boom. Big time once again.

baitism 06-06-2010 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803174)
you're correct, it's all speculation

but with regards to Notre Dame ... which as much as they have been sucking lately they could be getting some pressure from the networks that they are being overpaid for the product they bring. Getting into a BCS conference could switch things up.

I agree they have been sucking, but between their national brand status and delusional fans they should be ok. That being said, if they have horrendous year this season that could change.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803181)
Yes they're down now but they join the Big 10 and boom. Big time once again.

How so? Don't they already have more money and exposure than anyone else?

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803194)
How so? Don't they already have more money and exposure than anyone else?

personally i think joining a conference would help Notre Dame quite a bit competition wise.

They are fine with exposure and money but all the scheduling and rivalries etc that come with being in a conference would help their football team a lot imo.

ChiefsCountry 06-06-2010 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baitism (Post 6803148)
All of the speculation about ND is worthless, though. They are not going anywhere. Why would they give up a huge tv contract with NBC to go to the big 10 and have to split their cake with the rest of the conference via the BTN? It doesn't make sense for them.

Northwestern makes more money off the Big Ten contract than ND does with NBC.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803205)
personally i think joining a conference would help Notre Dame quite a bit competition wise.

They are fine with exposure and money but all the scheduling and rivalries etc that come with being in a conference would help their football team a lot imo.

Ok... but I'm just sayin'... a mediocre (at best) ND joins the Big 10... and they instantly become a powerhouse. Mizzou joins the Big 10... and they'll be the doormat of the conference.

I'm just trying to follow wickedson's logic.

ND already has all of the perks that Mizzou would gain... and more.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baitism (Post 6803191)
I agree they have been sucking, but between their national brand status and delusional fans they should be ok. That being said, if they have horrendous year this season that could change.

why would they get another year?

they have been sucking for awhile now ... not just 1/2 seasons.

They just had a been name guy like Charlie Weis get paid and then implode. They have a fundamental problem with their football program.

1. grades make it hard to recruit
2. no conference leads to no consistency,rivalries,scheduling,tourneys etc

Notre Dame is sort of "outside" of college football. That used to be "cool" but now it's hurting them a bit.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803218)
Ok... but I'm just sayin'... a mediocre (at best) ND joins the Big 10... and that instantly become a powerhouse. Mizzou joins the Big 10... and they'll be the doormat of the conference.

I'm just trying to follow wickedson's logic.

i'm not really paying attention to him so i dunno


Big 10 wants money and more exposure ... Notre Dame can give that to them all by itself. Notre Dame needs to be "apart" of something in football to help them improve the on-the-field product ... Big 10 gives them that.


i don't know if it's going to happen but imo that is what the Big 10 is really waiting for ... Notre Dame.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803229)
i'm not really paying attention to him so i dunno


Big 10 wants money and more exposure ... Notre Dame can give that to them all by itself. Notre Dame needs to be "apart" of something in football to help them improve the on-the-field product ... Big 10 gives them that.


i don't know if it's going to happen but imo that is what the Big 10 is really waiting for ... Notre Dame.

Understood.

I just think the 12 teams thing is done. I think it'll be 16... with, or without ND.

The Big 10 will not be late to the party.

Bambi 06-06-2010 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803218)
Ok... but I'm just sayin'... a mediocre (at best) ND joins the Big 10... and they instantly become a powerhouse. Mizzou joins the Big 10... and they'll be the doormat of the conference.

I'm just trying to follow wickedson's logic.

ND already has all of the perks that Mizzou would gain... and more.

Dude, come on. Don't compare the schools.

Not being in a conference has hurt Notre Dame's recruiting in my opinion. Regular rivalries with powerhouse programs where there are standings and records that mean something will recharge the entire program. Players will start rolling in on a national level, unlike MU who recruits locally and some of Texas which they'll surely lose once they leave the Big 12.

You really think MU is going to start beating out OSU and PSU for kids in those states?

I don't think so.

KChiefs1 06-06-2010 09:34 PM

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/breakin...he-Big-12.html

Quote:

Editor's note: This column was written by Baylor President Ken Starr regarding ongoing developments of the potential realignment or dissolution of the Big 12 athletic conference. For continuing coverage on this story, see tomorrow's print edition of the Waco Tribune-Herald.

On my first day as President of Baylor University I wrote to members of the Baylor family expressing my great enthusiasm to be joining our esteemed university, my deep respect for its illustrious tradition, my abiding commitment to our important mission and my sincere vow to help advance the goals of the University in the months and years ahead.

Only a few short hours later, I would be marshalling all that enthusiasm and working to counter a significant and historic threat to the University. Our opposition has come in the form of a possible realignment of the Big 12 conference and, with it, the separation of Baylor from its fellow Texas universities in the Big 12.

Not surprisingly, our level of activity in recent days has been very high. Ian McCaw, our athletics director, and I, along with members of my executive staff and university regents, have been working hard to represent and protect Baylor’s best interests as well as those of Central Texas. I can tell you that at this time we are guardedly optimistic about the way the process is unfolding.

Let me make our perspective clear: Baylor emphatically supports the Big 12. We are proud of our role in the conference and we want to see it prosper. In particular, we appreciate our fellow Texas institutions in the Big 12 and the special rivalries that entertain and energize our alumni. We remain hopeful that the Big 12 will remain intact and continue to be one of the nation's foremost athletic conferences.

A strong athletic presence is not just good for Baylor. It’s good for Texas and it’s also good for Waco.

Exposure through television and other media helps promote our university, shining a light on both our athletic and academic quality, and further strengthening our national reputation.

For Texas a strong quartet of athletic programs such as the University of Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor produces income and jobs and helps with student recruitment, both by keeping students in our state and by bringing others into our rolls.

And, of course, there's the great pride that we feel as Texans when our programs dominate the athletic landscape as they did during the recent basketball season.

Here in Waco, a strong athletic program at Baylor competing in a powerhouse conference brings positive recognition to central Texas, creates and supports employment opportunities, and infuses money into the economy as we host visiting alumni and other guests who stay in area hotels and eat at restaurants nearby.

A study completed by Baylor economics professor, Dr. Thomas M. Kelly, concluded that Baylor Athletics had a $155.6 million impact on the greater Waco economy during the 2008 calendar year. A similar study done more recently would document an even greater financial impact.

If Baylor remains in the Big 12, or otherwise aligned with its fellow Texas institutions in the Big 12, the future economic impact on our community will be significant.

On the other hand, any change that disrupts our current athletic affiliations in Texas would most certainly have negative financial consequences, to Baylor and to Central Texas.

The situation is extremely fluid right now. It is our understanding that the Pac-10 Conference may be preparing to invite six Big 12 members to join a proposed 16-team megaconference, Recent news reports have indicated that Baylor's stock is rising and that it could be included among the teams invited to form a new conference.

What we do know is this: the Lone Star state schools of the Big 12 should stick together. That’s what’s in the best interests of Baylor, of Texas and of our own community, here in Waco.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803254)
Dude, come on. Don't compare the schools.

Not being in a conference has hurt Notre Dame's recruiting in my opinion. Regular rivalries with powerhouse programs where there are standing and records mean something will recharge the entire program. Players will start rolling in on a national level, unlike MU who recruits locally and some of Texas which they'll surely lose once they leave the Big 12.

You really think MU is going to start beating out OSU and PSU for kids in those states?

I don't think so.

Really? Really??? They're ****in' Notre Dame.

I don't think they'd rocket to being a national power any more than I think Mizzou would be a door mat.

But hey... whatever makes you feel better.

luv 06-06-2010 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803205)
personally i think joining a conference would help Notre Dame quite a bit competition wise.

They are fine with exposure and money but all the scheduling and rivalries etc that come with being in a conference would help their football team a lot imo.

Don't they basically get to cherry pick their schedule right now?

I'm not implying they do by asking, I really don't know.

Bambi 06-06-2010 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803265)
Really? Really??? They're ****in' Notre Dame.

I don't think they'd rocket to being a national power any more than I think Mizzou would be a door mat.

But hey... whatever makes you feel better.

We can have a difference of opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

OnTheWarpath15 06-06-2010 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803268)
Don't they basically get to cherry pick their schedule right now?

I'm not implying they do by asking, I really don't know.

They usually play half the B10 every year as it is, plus USC and usually Stanford, UCLA (or another Pac 10 team or two) and a team from the ACC, a team from the Big East - and a Service Academy.

ND has no benefit at all to move to a conference.

OnTheWarpath15 06-06-2010 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803265)
Really? Really??? They're ****in' Notre Dame.

I don't think they'd rocket to being a national power any more than I think Mizzou would be a door mat.

But hey... whatever makes you feel better.

Spot on.

KcMizzou 06-06-2010 09:42 PM

Quote:

What we do know is this: the Lone Star state schools of the Big 12 should stick together. That’s what’s in the best interests of Baylor, of Texas and of our own community, here in Waco.
Sounds like someone knows the writing's on the wall.

This screams "Texas! We're brothers! F Colorado!"

Bearcat 06-06-2010 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803254)
Dude, come on. Don't compare the schools.

Not being in a conference has hurt Notre Dame's recruiting in my opinion. Regular rivalries with powerhouse programs where there are standings and records that mean something will recharge the entire program. Players will start rolling in on a national level, unlike MU who recruits locally and some of Texas which they'll surely lose once they leave the Big 12.

You really think MU is going to start beating out OSU and PSU for kids in those states?

I don't think so.

Notre Dame has regular rivalries... maybe not every single year, but they play Michigan, Michigan State, USC, etc; just about every year... and like KcMizzou said, they're Notre f***ing Dame.

On top of that, the Big 10's image has taken a huge hit in the past few years... why would Notre Dame want to be associated with the perception of that conference being left behind?

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803268)
Don't they basically get to cherry pick their schedule right now?

I'm not implying they do by asking, I really don't know.

yes, they do but cherry picking isn't necessarily a good thing.imo.

Notre Dame vrs Ohio St every year
Notre Dame vrs Michigan every year


recruits know that they are getting a certain atmosphere when they sign up.

just my opinion, of course.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6803275)
They usually play half the B10 every year as it is, plus USC and usually Stanford, UCLA (or another Pac 10 team or two) and a team from the ACC, a team from the Big East - and a Service Academy.

ND has no benefit at all to move to a conference.

bullshit

teedubya 06-06-2010 09:51 PM

Texas politicians are only doing what Kansas Board of Regents will be doing.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 6803293)
Texas politicians are only doing what Kansas Board of Regents will be doing.

Will be?

what makes you think they haven't already done it?

KChiefs1 06-06-2010 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6803247)
The Big 10 will not be late to the party.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...tory?track=rss

Quote:

Big Ten officials all but acknowledged Sunday that they intend to follow a turbocharged timetable for expansion.

With expansion candidates Nebraska and Missouri facing an ultimatum from the Big 12, the Big Ten clearly is ready to stop dawdling and get down to business.

A longer way of saying that came from Michigan State President Lou Anna K. Simon: "Our announcement in December has caused institutions and conferences to consider their futures, and that has had an impact on our deliberations."

Big Ten presidents and chancellors met Sunday in Park Ridge for more than four hours, and the majority of that time was spent discussing expansion.

Simon, who chairs the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors, said that no expansion votes were taken Sunday but that the conference's 11 CEOs will not have to be present for a supermajority (8 of 11) to approve inviting schools to apply for membership.

"My understanding of Big Ten bylaws," she said, "is that action can be done electronically, telephonically or in person."

Then she turned to Commissioner Jim Delany, seated to her left, and added: "My lawyer has concurred."

It would surprise no one if Big Ten expansion is resolved in a matter of weeks, though Delany and Simon declined to discuss the specifics of the timing and which schools could be involved.

These are some key remaining questions:

• Is Notre Dame still in the picture, and if the Irish (finally) say yes to the Big Ten, would that preclude adding schools such as Nebraska, Missouri and Rutgers?

• What will Nebraska do? There's a strong belief that if Nebraska remains in the Big 12, Texas also will stay. If the Cornhuskers join the Big Ten, Texas is more likely to head to the Pac-10 with five more schools (Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado or Baylor) in its pickup truck.

• If there's validity to the Austin American-Statesman report that Nebraska and Missouri have been given a deadline of June 11 to June 15 to pledge their allegiance to the Big 12, will the Big Ten cooperate by extending application offers by then?

Delany said that he could not comment on the Big 12 deadline report because he doesn't "have any knowledge" of it and that he had not spoken recently to Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe.

While maintaining it's possible the Big Ten will not expand, Delany said if the conference targets schools, the final steps will be "pretty serious — and pretty quick."

Here are a few other tidbits:

• Delany mentioned the seemingly odd possibility that the conference "could act and act again." Meaning if one school is ready to commit now but another needs more time, the Big Ten could expand in phases.

• On the heels of the Columbus Dispatch's publishing e-mail correspondences between Delany and Ohio State President Gordon Gee, Delany was asked whether he's cognizant of the contents of his electronic correspondences. "I am now," he replied. So look for Delany to gather votes by telephone.

• The $22 million figure bandied about to quantify the Big Ten's annual revenue distribution to each school is too high, conference officials said. A more accurate number is $20 million.

The Southeastern Conference on Friday announced revenue distribution of $17.3 million per school, but that does not include local media packages. ( Florida reportedly makes an extra $10 million from its local deal with Sun Sports.)

The Omaha World-Herald reported that Big 12 revenue figures from the 2006-07 fiscal year ranged from $7.1 million (Baylor) to $10.2 million (Texas).

• Simon insists the media have under-emphasized the importance of academics in the Big Ten's deliberations. "I have facetiously said that at the start of this process, if we had given fifth-graders the criteria, the list of institutions would be essentially the list that has been bandied about … by you all," she said. "With much more sophisticated analysis of the sense of 'fit,' but academics has not been much of the conversation. This is more than teams playing teams."

So what is the Big Ten's analysis based on — Association of American Universities membership? Academic Progress Rate numbers? US News & World Report rankings?

"Most of the people in the room were provosts before they were presidents," Simon said, "so it's a group that is perfectly capable of making very sophisticated judgments on academics. If anything, we obsess about that."

• Delany gladly acknowledged that he reads a packet of daily clips from newspapers and blogs obsessed with Big Ten expansion. "It's a story du jour with lots of twists and turns," he said.

He added that in the final analysis, the decisions by the Big Ten and expansion candidates will be "about fit, about destiny."

tgreenstein@tribune.com

OnTheWarpath15 06-06-2010 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803288)
bullshit

Notre Dame has their own network, pull more money independently than they would in the B10 ($28M from football alone, not counting NBC), so between the NBC numbers and the BCS endowment of more than $5 billion. They get $1.3 million a year if they doesn't qualify for a Bowl Championship Series berth and $4.5 million if they do. They don't have to share that money with anyone. So the BCS system actually is encouraging Notre Dame to stay independent.

They already have a sweetheart deal with the BCS. What more can the B10 give?

The B10 Network is a huge step down from NBC. Financially and in viewership.

Brian Kelly said it a few weeks back - we want the flexibility to play coast-to-coast.

They already play 3-4 B10 schools a year, USC, plus another team or two from the Pac10, plus a game each, sometimes two against an ACC and Big East opponent.

And all of that doesn't even bring tradition into the mix, which is one of the main reasons given by ND everytime this comes up.

The best reason ND would have to move to the B10 is to cut down on travel costs for lower and non-revenue sports.

Otherwise, they'd be stupid to move, IMO.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6803304)
Notre Dame has their own network, pull more money independently than they would in the B10, between the NBC numbers and the endowment of more than $5 billion. They get $1.3 million a year if they doesn't qualify for a Bowl Championship Series berth and $4.5 million if they does. They don't have to share that money with anyone.

Brian Kelly said it a few weeks back - we want the flexibility to play coast-to-coast.

They already play 3-4 B10 schools a year, USC, plus another team or two from the Pac10, plus a game each, sometimes two against an ACC and Big East opponent.

And all of that doesn't even bring tradition into the mix, which is one of the main reasons given by ND everytime this comes up.

The best reason ND would have to move to the B10 is to cut down on travel costs for lower and non-revenue sports.

Otherwise, they'd be stupid to move, IMO.

you are only thinking about this from a business perspective.

Notre Dame football is not what it once was .... as doesn't look to be improving anytime soon. Being in the Big 10 conference with add legitimacy on the football field. It would also provide a measuring stick for the coaches and players to judge themselves by. It will also force them to focus on getting better because of the consistency of their schedule.

Being this elite "above everyone else" school makes them arrogant and entitled which almost never leads to top performance.

nobody know if it will happen but imo it would definitely help Notre Dame field a better football team.

luv 06-06-2010 10:06 PM

Sounds like ND could go either way. They're definitely good financially, but movies have been made based on their football tradition. If being part of a conference would help with recruiting, then you have to think they consider it.

ChiefsCountry 06-06-2010 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6803304)
Notre Dame has their own network, pull more money independently than they would in the B10, between the NBC numbers and the endowment of more than $5 billion. They get $1.3 million a year if they doesn't qualify for a Bowl Championship Series berth and $4.5 million if they do. They don't have to share that money with anyone. So the BCS system actually is encouraging Notre Dame to stay independent.

They already have a sweetheart deal with the BCS. What more can the B10 give?

The B10 Network is a huge step down from NBC. Financially and in viewership.

Brian Kelly said it a few weeks back - we want the flexibility to play coast-to-coast.

They already play 3-4 B10 schools a year, USC, plus another team or two from the Pac10, plus a game each, sometimes two against an ACC and Big East opponent.

And all of that doesn't even bring tradition into the mix, which is one of the main reasons given by ND everytime this comes up.

The best reason ND would have to move to the B10 is to cut down on travel costs for lower and non-revenue sports.

Otherwise, they'd be stupid to move, IMO.

http://www.nctimes.com/sports/column...f0e84ddb6.html

Notre Dame gets around 9 million from NBC. Plus throw in the BCS contract, BE tv reveune, and others its around 15 million.

Big Ten schools get 22 million each.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803320)
Sounds like ND could go either way. They're definitely good financially, but movies have been made based on their football tradition. If being part of a conference would help with recruiting, then you have to think they consider it.

so far they have refused to admit that they need a conference. It will probably continue ... the arrogance of Notre Lamers is pretty legendary.

Bearcat 06-06-2010 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803313)
you are only thinking about this from a business perspective.

Notre Dame football is not what it once was .... as doesn't look to be improving anytime soon. Being in the Big 10 conference with add legitimacy on the football field. It would also provide a measuring stick for the coaches and players to judge themselves by. It will also force them to focus on getting better because of the consistency of their schedule.

Being this elite "above everyone else" school makes them arrogant and entitled which almost never leads to top performance.

nobody know if it will happen but imo it would definitely help Notre Dame field a better football team.

It's all that matters. It's the only reason Mizzou is in this discussion, and it's the only reason Notre Dame would join a conference. The measuring stick is BCS games (more money)... they play the same basic schedule every year.

luv 06-06-2010 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803323)
so far they have refused to want to admit to needing a conference. That will probably continue ... the arrogance of Notre Lamers is pretty legendary.

Then it sounds like MU and NU won't have to worry.

Bearcat 06-06-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803320)
Sounds like ND could go either way. They're definitely good financially, but movies have been made based on their football tradition. If being part of a conference would help with recruiting, then you have to think they consider it.

No team can guarantee a BCS appearance at 8 wins, and no Big 10 team can tell a recruit they'll play at USC once or twice in their career, as well as Michigan, on the east coast, etc. Plus, the Big 10's reputation is shot right now, just like Notre Dame's.... maybe they should join the SEC with Kansas.

OnTheWarpath15 06-06-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803313)
you are only thinking about this from a business perspective.

Notre Dame football is not what it once was .... as doesn't look to be improving anytime soon. Being in the Big 10 conference with add legitimacy on the football field. It would also provide a measuring stick for the coaches and players to judge themselves by. It will also force them to focus on getting better because of the consistency of their schedule.

Being this elite "above everyone else" school makes them arrogant and entitled which almost never leads to top performance.

nobody know if it will happen but imo it would definitely help Notre Dame field a better football team.

Yeah, it's stupid to think of things from a business perspective.

Dan Patrick interviewed Brian Kelly and Kelly flat out said that moving to the B10 would HURT recruiting. They'd become a regional school instead of a national school.

He said something along the lines of their current recruitment across the country, coast-to-coast, and that it's a huge advantage for a east coast kid to know that ND will play several EC games, same with the West Coast.

Holtz, old and senile as he is, also made a good point on ESPN. ND is the only school in the nation that could go into California and steal a top prospect from USC. Same in Texas. Same in Florida.

Only the ND haters refuse to see all of this.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6803324)
It's all that matters. It's the only reason Mizzou is in this discussion, and it's the only reason Notre Dame would join a conference. The measuring stick is BCS games (more money)... they play the same basic schedule every year.

normally i would agree ... money = everything

but Notre Dame is reaching a tipping point. If they lose too much prestige the money flow will slow and they could be in trouble. They are already in a conference in other sports. Imo it's only a matter of time before they are forced to join one in football.


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