Profar has superstar potential. Snider and Arencibia have the potential to have good bats, but their defensive liabilities will eventually render them as all bat, 1B/DH types. Those guys certainly have value, but up the middle players that can also hit - which Profar is projected to be - are rare and more valuable.

Of course he is very young though and anything can happen in his development, good or bad.

He was +4 runs this year, -6 runs last year. I wouldn't call that a good defensive LF. Most importantly, it's concerning that at only 22 he's already relegated to LF at best, and a full-time DH at worst. Let's face it - he's not getting any thinner or more athletic. Again, all bat guys can still have a ton of value, but the batter better come through in a big way.

Looking at KC's situation, we already have a handful of guys that are or project as 1B/DH/LF types in Butler, Kaaihue, Hosmer, and Moose. We really need some athletic, up the middle defenders to pair up with our big hitters to make our defense passable during our window of contention.

He's also 17 years old and has to go through years of successful development to even reach the point where he will even be a MLB player. The risk is enormous. He's certainly not worth two guys that are already major league players (I wouldn't really classify them prospects any more) and will be under control for 5 years.


His range took a huge improvement last season, and his arm is pretty strong. If he's going to end up as a DH, it's still years away.

I don't think trading Greinke for toolsy 17 year olds will help, though. From what I've read, they are looking for young guys that will step in immediately.

Not sure where you've been reading that. I'm sure they'd like a starter to step in and take ZG's innings, but they want guys that will hit the majors at the same time as our other top prospects, so 1-3 years from now. That is our window, which is why we are open to trading Greinke on the hope of competing big in 2013-2017.

Been reading it from the GM:
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/12/04...ls-should.html

I read the "more specific" statement as more obtuse relative to ML readiness.

If you're going to trade Greinke, I'd think you'd want to get something of a little more substance than a 19 year old who hasn't had success at the AA yet (nothing against his talent, but Perez is still a risk) and a 17 year old SS.

Yes; we'd also want Derek Holland, a 23 year old young starter who can step in and take Greinke's innings.

I think you're playing up ages way too much in this discussion. Profar and Perez are young but they're both top 50 overall prospects. I'll take a younger player over a more experienced one if he has superior talent, and especially if the younger player will be playing in the majors at the same time as as our other young prospects that we're counting on.

Still, I'm not against a trade to Toronto, and Drabek probably makes more sense than Perez given our LHP-heavy pitching prospects.

What do you think is a fair offer from Toronto for Greinke? I think a deal has to be centered around Drabek to make it happen. Would they even package Drabek and Snider together?

If they dont, we should not make the trade. I'd say Drabek and Snider is a given, then lets talk about the minor league throw-ins.

So basically the Nationals did exactly what Rany suggested the Royals do, only for a worse (older) player.

It's not ages, it's their level of development. Guys like Profar and Perez simply aren't worth that much (compared to say, a Travis Snider or Kyle Drabek) because of how much developing they still have left to do.

I don't think they'd ever consider trading both of them together. I mean...if they are going to contend in the future, they are going to need cheap, young offensive players like Snider. Drabek, on the other hand, while good, doesn't project to be much better than a lot of guys they already have (Romero, Morrow, Cecil, Marcum) and isn't much different than a guy like Zach Stewart. I suspect that he's the guy that is leading this Jays offer.

I would say that Drabek, Arencibia, and then a guy like Gose or Marisnick would be pretty fair.

I'm not even sure the Jays would be willing to trade Snider straight up for two years of Greinke.

Yeah.

Toronto has a pretty deep farm system. I'm not sure I would say it is a definite no go if they don't include both Drabek and Snider (though one would have to be in there most likely).

I wonder if Drabek, Zack Stewart, and Anthony Gose would be reasonable. Two young RHP starters and a very solid CF prospect. Toronto has a good young rotation already, so I don't know if they would be as opposed to dealing two MLB-ready starters like most teams.

We're pretty close to the same page, then, because I'd say Arencibia's value is close to Stewart's. And no, I don't think they would be that opposed to trading both of them.

Greinke, Romero, Morrow, Marcum, Cecil would be quite the rotation going forward, and they wouldn't need them.

I was initially against trading Wallace for Gose earlier this year, but I've come to realize that Wallace's ceiling is quite low and that Gose could turn out to be something like Carl Crawford, but in CF.