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WhawhaWhat 07-07-2016 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12304188)
I noticed Alex gets a free pass around here for being total garbage. Weird. 18M for a AAAA level guy. Could've had Eibner get 1-2 war for free

No one responding to your usual drivel doesn't mean he gets a free pass.

KChiefs1 07-07-2016 09:53 AM

*** Official 2016 Royals Repository, Version 1 ***
 
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12304188)
I noticed Alex gets a free pass around here for being total garbage. Weird. 18M for a AAAA level guy. Could've had Eibner get 1-2 war for free



Agreed he has been shit. No free pass from me.

I'm hoping that he has a fantastic 2nd half or that's wasted money.




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KChiefs1 07-07-2016 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12304193)
In hindsight we definitely should've spent the money on Kennedy, Gordon, and Soria for a top of the line rotation guy.



Moore's streak of luck has run out.

Sure-Oz 07-07-2016 10:07 AM

Gordon has given nothing offensively hope he gets going ..Dyson sucks too. I'd rather see Eibner in the OF than Dyson since he can produce some offense

ChiTown 07-07-2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12304234)
Moore's streak of luck has run out.

I don't think it was luck. Dayton is a good GM. I do believe, however, that he absolutely out-smarted himself into thinking he could manage the season with Medlen and Young both being in the starting rotation. I also think that he way over-valued Gordon's presence on this team. That 4-year deal was friendly to KC, but he's a luxury we can't afford. His great Defensive play can't make up for a shitty starting rotation combined with his awful offensive production.

tk13 07-07-2016 10:39 AM

Signing Gordon sold tickets, so it helped from a business sense. There was already a lot of hand wringing about Glass being cheap after two World Series appearances because it looked like the team's fan favorite would walk. It seemed like the Royals people were telling guys like McCullough, Mellinger that they weren't going to sign him. Once they did, it felt like we had a good offseason.

I think he's going to have a tough year... just because of the wrist injury. Seems like guys never recover from those quickly, especially when he wasn't hitting already. But there does come a time where you have to make tough decisions. I think they're going to let Cain walk for that reason, even though it'll be really unpopular. I don't think Gordon is sunk cost though. The reason it made some sense to re-sign him was because he keeps himself in amazing shape, and he works harder than anyone on the team. He doesn't have to be washed up at only 32.

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Anyong Bluth 07-07-2016 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12304259)
I don't think it was luck. Dayton is a good GM. I do believe, however, that he absolutely out-smarted himself into thinking he could manage the season with Medlen and Young both being in the starting rotation. I also think that he way over-valued Gordon's presence on this team. That 4-year deal was friendly to KC, but he's a luxury we can't afford. His great Defensive play can't make up for a shitty starting rotation combined with his awful offensive production.

I think he was relying on Medlan. No one could believe that Young was the solution. That is more a circumstance of he was what we have given payroll limitations. At best he was / is a bandaid they hoped to use as a stopgap and eyeing an arm at the trade deadline.

He was brought back to be a stopgap bullpen asset. They didn't all of a sudden have some renewed faith in him being able to shoulder a spot in the rotation and hold up. Circumstances forced their hand to make do, and he has gotten worked over in a role he would never be an asset to the team as.

ChiTown 07-07-2016 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12304305)
Signing Gordon sold tickets, so it helped from a business sense. There was already a lot of hand wringing about Glass being cheap after two World Series appearances because it looked like the team's fan favorite would walk. It seemed like the Royals people were telling guys like McCullough, Mellinger that they weren't going to sign him. Once they did, it felt like we had a good offseason.

I think he's going to have a tough year... just because of the wrist injury. Seems like guys never recover from those quickly, especially when he wasn't hitting already. But there does come a time where you have to make tough decisions. I think they're going to let Cain walk for that reason, even though it'll be really unpopular. I don't think Gordon is sunk cost though. The reason it made some sense to re-sign him was because he keeps himself in amazing shape, and he works harder than anyone on the team. He doesn't have to be washed up at only 32.

I don't believe he's washed up at 32. I believe exactly what I wrote - he's a luxury we can't afford. You can't spend $18MM/yr on an offensively unproductive corner outfielder and piece meal a starting rotation together. His D doesn't make up for an awful rotation. It would help if he were on top of his game offensively, but he hasn't been that for a while. Last night, he had some of the worst AB's I have ever seen from him. The one with Esky on 3B and 1 out was inexcusable for a guy with his experience. So bad, that Hud appeared that he wanted to run down from the booth and scold AG in person. I like AG, but I'd like him better if he were a front line starting pitcher.

I do agree that they will most likely let Cain walk in '17, and that's probably the right thing to do. Maybe, by the grace of God, Bubba gets it figured out in Omaha, and he's ready to man that spot in '18. Highly doubtful, but stranger things have happened. He'll be 25 at the start of the '18 season, so maybe his maturity will catch up with his athleticism.

Demonpenz 07-07-2016 12:04 PM

Alex Sweeney

siberian khatru 07-07-2016 12:05 PM

I think the biggest fear about re-signing Gordon was that his DEFENSE would decline rapidly, and with it a lot of his value. There was talk about moving him to 1B after Hosmer left.

I don't know if anyone expected his bat to go in the crapper so soon. I think most figured he could still OPS around .750 for 2-3 years. And he still might. But he's been utterly atrocious at the plate this year, particularly the extreme spike in strikeouts, which is both alarming and mystifying. He was never that bad when he was ... bad.

The wrist may hamper his ability to climb out of this, but he was this bad before the injury too. Hopefully he'll pull a Morales and do a 180 -- soon.

ChiefsCountry 07-07-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12304305)
Signing Gordon sold tickets, so it helped from a business sense. There was already a lot of hand wringing about Glass being cheap after two World Series appearances because it looked like the team's fan favorite would walk. It seemed like the Royals people were telling guys like McCullough, Mellinger that they weren't going to sign him. Once they did, it felt like we had a good offseason.

I think he's going to have a tough year... just because of the wrist injury. Seems like guys never recover from those quickly, especially when he wasn't hitting already. But there does come a time where you have to make tough decisions. I think they're going to let Cain walk for that reason, even though it'll be really unpopular. I don't think Gordon is sunk cost though. The reason it made some sense to re-sign him was because he keeps himself in amazing shape, and he works harder than anyone on the team. He doesn't have to be washed up at only 32.

Voice of reason.

TomBarndtsTwin 07-07-2016 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 12304193)
In hindsight we definitely should've spent the money on Kennedy, Gordon, and Soria for a top of the line rotation guy.

We could have re-signed Cueto and Zobrist for the same money we spent on those three. Granted, there would be a couple more expensive years towards the end of those deals.

I think it's fair to say substituting Kennedy with Cueto in the rotation would be an upgrade and Zobrist at the top of the lineup instead of Gordon would have made the offense more consistent. In spite of injuries, I think the Royals would have been okay w/o Soria and his 8 mil. a year.

Whit is coming back down to earth. Dyson in left, although not a long term replacement, would have made a capable defensive replacement for Gordon.


Hindsight being 20/20 and all . . . . .

Pitt Gorilla 07-07-2016 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12304328)
I think he was relying on Medlan. No one could believe that Young was the solution. That is more a circumstance of he was what we have given payroll limitations. At best he was / is a bandaid they hoped to use as a stopgap and eyeing an arm at the trade deadline.

He was brought back to be a stopgap bullpen asset. They didn't all of a sudden have some renewed faith in him being able to shoulder a spot in the rotation and hold up. Circumstances forced their hand to make do, and he has gotten worked over in a role he would never be an asset to the team as.

Young's contract NEVER made sense. He was a minimal salary guy last season, which was fine. Anything more than that didn't make sense.

The Gordon signing was going to be problematic to a team like the Royals, even if he maintained his production.

Prison Bitch 07-07-2016 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12304305)
Signing Gordon sold tickets,


I seriously doubt that.


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