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eazyb81 12-05-2010 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7230446)
Word is that Brett Lawrie is in the Brewers deal, that's all I can find.

Drabek and Lawrie for Greinke?

alnorth 12-05-2010 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7230444)
Pouliot has no sources, so he's basing that on nothing at all.

There's another thing you need to factor into your cynicism. The law of supply and demand is heavily in the Royals favor. Once you get past Lee, the starting pitcher market is a barren wasteland. If you need another ace, you are going to either Kansas City, Kansas City, or Kansas City. Dayton should absolutely be a hardass this week.

eazyb81 12-05-2010 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7230444)
Pouliot has no sources, so he's basing that on nothing at all.

Sure, it's just speculation, but it is helpful to hear thoughts from non-Royals or Blue Jays fans on Greinke's value.

KC_Connection 12-05-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7230471)
There's another thing you need to factor into your cynicism. The law of supply and demand is heavily in the Royals favor. Once you get past Lee, the starting pitcher market is a barren wasteland. If you need another ace, you are going to either Kansas City, Kansas City, or Kansas City. Dayton should absolutely be a hardass this week.

I don't think the Jays need pitching at all, personally. They need offense, and in particular, guys that can get on base.

KC_Connection 12-05-2010 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7230469)
Drabek and Lawrie for Greinke?

If you're asking me whether I'd make that deal, then yeah, I would. Where would the Royals play Lawrie?

alnorth 12-05-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 7230542)
If you're asking me whether I'd make that deal, then yeah, I would. Where would the Royals play Lawrie?

Lawrie doesn't really have a position. Drafted as a catcher, almost immediately moved to second where scouts think his range might be adequate enough to stick. Can probably play first, second, third, or left.

His bat is good enough to play anywhere, though.

DeezNutz 12-05-2010 09:40 PM

If the return for Greinke would be Drabek and Lawrie and nothing more, I'm going to ****ing puke.

Certainly DM is not that stupid.

alnorth 12-05-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7230650)
If the return for Greinke would be Drabek and Lawrie and nothing more, I'm going to ****ing puke.

Certainly DM is not that stupid.

well, yeah. No one is stoned enough to suggest that, if anything Shaun Marcum is reinforcing the reality of Greinke's high value.

KC_Connection 12-05-2010 11:22 PM

If it's a deal like Drabek and Lawrie for Greinke...I'm kind of struggling to understand it from a Jays perspective.

I think I'd rather have Marcum and Drabek than Greinke by himself. But I guess we'll see.

alnorth 12-05-2010 11:24 PM

Maybe the Nats were bidding against themselves and it is not indicative of Crawford's value. From MLBTR:

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The Nationals' offer for Werth was so far beyond what everyone else was offering that agent Scott Boras didn't bother to ask other teams if they wanted to match, tweets Jayson Stark of ESPN.

KevB 12-06-2010 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7231069)
Maybe the Nats were bidding against themselves and it is not indicative of Crawford's value. From MLBTR:

Or, that could be the story floated by other teams' to keep price tags down for other free agents.

eazyb81 12-06-2010 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7230650)
If the return for Greinke would be Drabek and Lawrie and nothing more, I'm going to ****ing puke.

Certainly DM is not that stupid.

Well I think one or two other lower level prospects could be thrown in there, but those two are both top 50 overall prospects and would be the cornerstone of the trade.

Maybe those two plus Zack Stewart and Carlos Perez?

DeezNutz 12-06-2010 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7231470)
Well I think one or two other lower level prospects could be thrown in there, but those two are both top 50 overall prospects and would be the cornerstone of the trade.

Maybe those two plus Zack Stewart and Carlos Perez?

I understand, and my pessimism for Drabek is certainly coloring my reaction. Still, I'd rather have 2 more years of Zack and then 2 high draft picks when he left.

It would be, essentially, the same deal (but better).

siberian khatru 12-06-2010 11:57 AM

I had to post this from RoyalsReview. I literally lol'd in my office when I read it:

bigleaguestew: RT @SurfingTheMets: Francouer and Phils are flirting. He’s also talking to KC. Playing time in Philly possible issue. [via Twitter]

If the Phils and Franceour are flirting
I’m guessing Dayton is taking his top off.


by RoyalsRetro on Dec 6, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs

Bambi 12-06-2010 12:41 PM

Pack your sweater Zach. Toronto is cold. Like, all the time.


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