In hindsight, yes. But at the time I would have been PISSED OFF if we had taken Aaron Rogers. I remember at around pick 12 when DJ was on the board and the Chargers didn't take them. I was thinking, OMFG he's still there! This can't be! Pick 13, 14 when Carolina was on the board. There was a few routes they could go but they went with an LB and it WASN'T DJ!!! I was sitting there for the next fifteen minutes going... "OH MY GOD THIS IS GOING TO BE SO KICK ASS!"

I have never been happier about a draft pick in my whole life. I know in hindsight this is reeruned, but I seriously thought he could be the next Derrick Brooks. Maybe he still could be under the right situations (which aren't in KC :().

Because he/she/it is a Herm Edwards professional dick sucker.

Vermeil was brought in to win immediately. You don't hire a head coach who is approaching 70 years old and expect that he isn't going to make decisions that are for the short-term and intended to win right away.

And for the record a guy by the name of Jared Allen was drafted under the Vermeil regime... a guy who could have been a cornerstone for the Chiefs rebuilding efforts on defense... a guy who Herm/Dictator Carl traded away in 2008.

the **** is that supposed to mean?

We were the only team in college or pros that Dick Vermiel didnt take to the championship game that he coached. He was a great coach.

GREAT

there's not much hate from me for grandpa dick because those years were entertaining, and that's why I watch.

those years were very maddenesque

Or tecmobowlesque for those of us from that generation

Grandpa can coach. No doubt.

But the push to win now and his complete inability to draft--and, yes, Grandpa was running the show almost entirely when he was in town, LJ aside--absolutely killed this franchise.

This organization would likely be exponentially better off had DV never come to town.

Funny that Herm gets the majority of the criticism around here. His plan to build a team was 100 percent correct. The problem was that he wasn't (and isn't) up to the challenge.

Exactly. And furthermore, he tried to do what he was brought in to do, WIN NOW. That was the plan, and it was made very clear.

He really didn't want to come out of retirement, but Carl talked him into it. All the blame, should rest squarely on Carl Peterson's shoulders, not DVs.

His job was to win now. Plus, it's been 4 years since he's left. Plenty of time to rebuild had it been done properly.

Thus my comment that he and CP were a poisonous combination.

Plenty of time? Sure, but we truly started rebuilding in '08 (thanks, Carl) and had a fantastic draft. The new regime and the new direction, however, undermined any of that potential progress, as we started over again.

that is different than the last couple how?

I agree. Vermiel is a good coach but he basically set the Chiefs back for a decade with his piss poor drafting and giving up of picks for players who wouldn't be here very long in order to win now. I will at least give Herm credit for trying to build through the draft. What'd you like to see is a Herm ran draft with Dickie coaching the team. The problem is, Dick did not really like rookies and young players a lot. Not at that stage in his career. He was too impatient when he got here. Not that I can blame him having to deal with the likes of Tony Banks and Lawrence Phillips.

And coaches.

The Chiefs started mortgaging the future just to get Grandpa in the first place, giving up multiple day one picks. Anyone who was excited about this was being ridiculously shortsighted.

The truth is, the owner never should have allowed CP to give up that kind of compensation for a coach.

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JFC dude, how many times do I have to tell your dumb ass that I ****ing hated Herman ****ing Edwards?

I hated his dumb ass when he was the Jets coach, and I sure as hell never wanted his dumb ass as the Chiefs coach.

About the only person with less intelligence on the planet than Herman ****ing Edwards is you.