While I absolutely disagree with calling Troy Aikman a "game manager", I can see why some people might feel that way. Those Cowboys teams didn't NEED Aikman to win, as evidenced by the team's record when he missed games due to injury.

In 1991, he missed 4 games. Steve Beuerlein came in and went 4-0

In 1992, he missed 2 games. Jason Garrett and Bernie Kosar combined for a 1-1 record.

In 1994, he missed 2 games. Jason Garrett and Rodney Peete combined for a 2-0 record.


So, in 8 games missed in his prime, and the Cowboys prime, the likes of Steve Beuerlein, Jason Garrett, Bernie Kosar and Rodney Peete led the team to a 7-1 record.

Again, I think calling Aikman a game manager is extreme, but I can see why some people would feel that way.

come on..this kind of analysis is pure bullshit and you know it

it's bad logic to boot

saying they would win titles without him is absurd, and saying they'd win titles with "jason garrett" is ****ing reeruned

what is wrong with you people?

Further name one notable time when the situation was "they're running and passing on us with abandon, we're getting stuffed in the run game, we're 20 points down, thank god Aikman put the team on his back and engineered that huge comeback."

Did I say that?

You really need to pull your head out of your ass and actually READ people's posts before you spout off.

I didn't say a word about winning titles. I mentioned that when he missed time in the REGULAR SEASON, the team didn't miss a beat.

I also said that I didn't agree with the people that are calling him a game manager - I'm on your side on this, dipshit.

I'm pointing out WHY I THINK some people might feel that he was a game manager. I'm not agreeing with the premise.

Jesus, you've turned into a Grade-A ****stick lately. Step back, take some time and READ what people have to say before you just auto-respond with your typical tripe.

When Aikman was concussed, Kosar won them HFA and engineered winning drives in the playoffs for them, and when Emmitt was down to one arm, they still rode HIM, not the passing game, to 200 all purpose yards.

Matt Cassell is winning games in New England

ergo, Tom Brady isn't a franchise player...anyone could have won those titles
ergo, we don't need to draft a QB
ergo, RT is the most important position on the team

this is what passes for intelligence with chiefs fans

IOC

Like I was saying...

He never had to, because he had a phenomenal team around him.

However, he engineered MANY 4th quarter and last minute drives to win games.

You can't blast a guy for never/rarely having the opportunity to come back from multiple scores down.

I'm not blasting him, I'll take a solid team with a solid, knowledgeable, skilled, mistake free leader over a sketchy team with a gunslinger who thinks he's the reason everyone gathered together today every day of the week.

Sorry, I must have misread your post then. I read it differently.

Anyway, I see both sides of the argument.

I think part of the problem, is that Mecca and TTC think the term game manager is some kind of slur, that it comes with a negative connotation.

You can be a game manager AND a franchise QB, IMO.

Case in point, Palmer may not have thought he was the be all end all shit, but it's pretty clear the way the team responded to his injury in the playoffs, THEY thought he was, so there even when you have the perfect franchise QB who does all the right things, the team can fall to shit around you. You think the Cowboys of the 90s or Parcell's Giants would've fallen completely apart [either that day, or in ensuing seasons] with the temporary loss of Aikman or Simms, the way the Bengals did?

Chief fans biggest rivals are....







...other chief fans.

Sure seems that way, doesn't it?

Do you still park over by BRC?

We're gonna swing by and say hi at some point tomorrow.

I'll be in the grass between A and B lots....glad you got tix...I had two extra tickets for the charger game....:doh!:.